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Republican Senator Robert Taft of Ohio had this to say about our duty in a time of war: 'Criticism in a time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government.'  He was a Republican, it was during World War II, and what he said was right.

Each passing day confirms that the Iraq war has been a grotesque mistake. The defense appropriations bill provides another $45 billion for the war, in addition to the hundreds of billions of dollars already appropriated.  And the end is not in sight.  This money has been spent in Iraq without question by Congress, without accountability by the Administration, and without success.  Congress did not discharge its responsibility to oversee those policies at the start of the war, and it has not done so since.  The American people, particularly our troops who serve in harm's way, deserve better.

Sign on as a Citizen Co-Sponsor to the Pelosi Amendment and let the President know you want a clear plan, an accountable President, and our troops home: http://democraticleader.house.gov/bringourtroopshome.cfm

Sincerely,
Nancy Pelosi
House Democratic Leader

This Sunday is Father's Day, and many young fathers will be away from their families. They will be in Iraq, just as many mothers were on Mother's Day.  These brave young fathers and mothers, sons and daughters, and many others, are fighting a war of choice in which we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people.

They were sent into war without intelligence about what they were going to confront, without the equipment to protect them, and without a plan for what would happen after the fall of Baghdad.  Disagreement with the policies that sent our troops to Iraq, and which keep them in danger today, in no way diminishes the respect and admiration which we have for them.  Sadly, the level of their sacrifice has never been matched by the level of the Administration's planning, and now the American people agree this war is not making America safer.

This unnecessary pre-emptive war has come at great cost.  More than 1,700 of our troops have lost their lives, and thousands more have suffered lasting wounds.  Since the war began more than two years ago, Congress has appropriated nearly $200 billion, and the United States has suffered devastating damage to our reputation in the eyes of the world.  The cost in lives and limbs, the cost in dollars, and the cost in reputation has been enormous.

Republican Senator Robert Taft of Ohio had this to say about our duty in a time of war: 'Criticism in a time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government.'  He was a Republican, it was during World War II, and what he said was right.

Each passing day confirms that the Iraq war has been a grotesque mistake. The defense appropriations bill provides another $45 billion for the war, in addition to the hundreds of billions of dollars already appropriated.  And the end is not in sight.  This money has been spent in Iraq without question by Congress, without accountability by the Administration, and without success.  Congress did not discharge its responsibility to oversee those policies at the start of the war, and it has not done so since.  The American people, particularly our troops who serve in harm's way, deserve better.

I introduced an amendment to the Defense Appropriations bill, which says to the President: 'Within 30 days of enactment of this legislation, Congress expects an accounting from you as to what the strategy for success is. What security and political measures have you established that will bring our troops home?'

Sign on as a Citizen Co-Sponsor to the Pelosi Amendment and let the President know you want a clear plan, an accountable President, and our troops home: http://democraticleader.house.gov/bringourtroopshome.cfm

Sincerely,
Nancy Pelosi
House Democratic Leader

Originally posted to House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:17 PM PDT.

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  •  Done! (none)
    Thank you!!

    Where are we going and what are we doing in this hand basket?

    by awnm on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:20:02 PM PDT

    •  HOWARD DEAN SPEAKS FOR ME. (3.97)
      Just so we're clear, the efforts of the DailyKos community don't come for free.

      I speak for thousands of us when I say your attempts to distance yourself from Howard Dean (whose recent statement happens to be true, by the way; elected Republicans are 99% white) have been truly disappointing.

      See, Howard Dean has raised twice the amount of money from people just like us that Terry McAuliffe did from corporate donors in the same period of time. When you and your old-guard colleagues began piling on him, $100,000 magically appeared in his DNC coffers. Every time he says something that shocks you, it's because he represents people like me who think people like you need to be shocked once in a while - if only to remind you who you're supposed to be representing.

      In other words, don't come to the netroots when you need us, and then snub our guy when we're inconvenient to your platform. WE ARE YOUR PLATFORM, WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT. And, until we tell you different, HOWARD DEAN SPEAKS FOR US.

      That said, I'm signing your petition, because it's the right thing to do.

      •  He Speaks For Me Too (4.00)
        I'm going to have to 2nd that. My sentiments exactly.

        We must go forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom! - Kodos as Clin-ton - The Simpsons

        by Czarvoter on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:40:43 PM PDT

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        •  Sometimes you need a little fire... (none)
          We all know that Dean wouldn't make it as a candidate... but as a rabble rouser, he's excellent.

          And yeah, I signed the petition too.  It's a good idea, although I don't want to submerge our Congress critters in paperwork.

          Here's what I wrote:
          Waiting until October 2006 is ridiculous.  We have no exit strategy, and every day more American women and men die for a cause that is increasingly becoming unclear.  We need our people home now!

          "I've gotten to where I can say the Lord's Prayer in ten seconds." - Evel Knievel

          by Jensequitur on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:14:20 PM PDT

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      •  Yup (4.00)
        and this most excellent comment copies nicely into the available space when signing the petition:

        "WE ARE YOUR PLATFORM, WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT. And, until we tell you different, HOWARD DEAN SPEAKS FOR US.

        That said, I'm signing your petition, because it's the right thing to do."

        "...psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of...politics, law enforcement, (and) government." Dr. Robert Hare

        by RubDMC on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 10:21:01 PM PDT

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      •  This comment should be a diary! (none)
      •  Let's stop this childish whining about Dean (1.44)
        These Dean, Dean, Dean - me, me, me thingy got to end. Just sign the damn petition and stop whining (sic) about Dean. Dean speaks for me too but there is time to be an adult and move on. Your comment is so unwarranted.
        •  I gave you a marginal rating (none)
          I felt it deserves an explanation, as being rated low has somewhat of a sting to it, and the nautral reaction is to go on the defensive, which leads to flame wars that go nowhere.

          I rated your comment as marginal, as I believe that it is a poorly stated, poorly written comment that does not appropriately address the points that the original comment makes, nor does it address the original comment with the same level of maturity, quality and foresight that the original comment has.

          I want you to understand that you are not being rated, your comment is, and I would like for you to not get on the defensive and instead try to undersand why I gave you the reating I did.

          I have ben rated low in the past, and it pissed me off, and I was not given the dignity of a response. As such, I believe that all low ratings deserve the respect of a response, and therefore I am providing one. You are free to reply to this comment as wish, however, if your next comment is is a marginal as the previous one, I will low rate that one too.

          The GOP and the Elephant are both Introduced Species

          by roboton on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 06:24:56 AM PDT

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        •  "comment is unwarranted" (none)
          you are invalidating a post. it is beneath marginal.
        •  When you're done being starstruck... (4.00)
          ...let us know and we'll give you some homework.

          Til then, anyone who cannot recognize the need to call bullshit on officials who use the netroots in one breath and abuse them in the next should consider himself "unwarranted" and politely bugger off.

          If she understood that Dean spoke for us, there would have been a big APOLOGY at the top of her diary. At least an explanation.

          There wasn't.

          So, everyone but you, it seems, thought we should make sure she understood this simple fact.

  •  Thank you Nancy (none)
    How can we know where the US is going without a plan.  How can anybody be accountable if there isn't a plan?
    •  Hey Folks (none)
      This needs to be on the top of the recommended list or frontaged.....Lets show what kinda support dailykos gives to the Leader of House Democrats
    •  Thank you (none)
       Rep. Pelosi, we want you to know that we appreciate the oppertunity to join you in demanding the return of our troops.
    •  Ambassador Wilson/ Exit Plan (none)
      Mr.Wilson is an accomplished diplomat.He has also helped provide Security certainties which went unheeded.Note his Conyers hearing testimony- that Iraq's current leader was a provinical ruler, where Al Zarqawei trained terror .

      The networks trot the Zarqawei strawman out all the time to try and start new Tonkin-style scenarios with Syria and Iran.

      Both of those countries have the best demographic for peaceful interdependence with the United States.

      We need pre-emptive trade instead of pre-emptive war.

      Iran has young demographics ready to become conoisseurs of Western culture and manufactured goods. Their additional market entry of crude reserves would help fuel a recovery here.

      We are more likely to make the Sauds change their oppressive rights track record by playing nice with other OPEC nations, than we are being ring-kissers. Stop being their hegemon to inflating OPEC's Saudi share and oil rates on the world market as a whole.

      Syria helped us immediately after 9-11. They were coordinating efforts with America in response to that attack whilst Sauds and the Bin laden family were still getting free ferry in first class flights out of America and no other person could do so.

      The attempt to instigate border violence in one of the myriad Iraqi campaigns of combined military/PR efforts was of itself in violation of UN and Constitutional law.

      Lebanon, once stabilized, is now amok with internal strife and has itself elected terror sympathizers. This in response to Condi Rice's thinly veiled efforts to exert control over the end line of the Trans-Arabian pipeline with a supposedly likeable insistence on Lebanon regime change.

      Bush's bully braggadocio has helped insert similar style leaders as a knee-jerk reaction.
      The bravado ends in another bully pulpit who preaches political oppression. Externally in this instance upon the extremely sensitive, complex fabric of the middle east and its continuing terror crises.

      Distinct religions, ethnicites, and economic models rely on much more than cowboy commentary and narrow minded one liners to see meaningful change.

      The Bush administration alienates our interests in peace and still has the nerve to insist upon its ideology of capitalistic stab and grab resource capitulation.

      This approach ignores the spritual wealth and cultural values each of these lands encompass. Above price there persists principles and when those are sacrificed for fiscal gain America is made less rich in everything.

      Now more than ever the failure of the Bush administration to develop working dialog with each of these countries mirrors their same internal failures within Iraq. Charged with developing consistent and cohesive uniform respect for Iraq's seperate civil schools of belief and ethnicity, the verdict remains to be cast.

      The Interdependent model means that each country sharing Iraq's borders must be made part of the solution. Such inclusion is a key ingredient to making America a leader in the world community.

      Previously a three state solution helped resolve the solvency issue in the Southeastern Europe. A serious assessment of this approach would help resolve conflict in regional terms.

      Even if such was not the case a unified model could incorporate the same effort by developing  models within the whole. Those would operate on terms of their distinct makeup. The UN can take segments of each in their entirety to its peacekeepers with the complicit consistent cooperative oversight of the American/British led coalition.

      Bush has denied UN access whenever possible to reward Cheney's interests with oil concessions on a no-bid basis.

      Reopen the entire free market and this competitive bid basis will expedite recovery. Those countries let back into this process can become the logistical support network necessary to minimize American casualties and expense.

      The business of business will rebuild their land if George Bush would honor the nature of the capitialist model he supposedly champions.

      Other Muslim nations can help provide the people to resume civil stability. The world community and its representatives can help upgrade infrastructure. The United States can be the common thread to bring uniform consistency to the country.

      The exit strategy should, in reality, be an entrance plan for the UN. This has been the reason Bolton was brought in to bully such bipartisan work. The crass method of Bolton keeps Cheney's cohorts at maximium profit margins.

      Surgery doesn't select jackhammers to achieve success. John Bolton is a means to a means.His demeanor is not cut from the cloth of diplomacy. The mean nature will simply mean that our efforts to maintain peace will be rendered meaningless for such scenarios as what Iraq entails, at this time.

      The current campaign to slander the UN peacekeepers in any capacity ignores the efforts of Bosnia. It is proven that NATO can aide American peacekeeping efforts with maximum effectiveness.

      Our military can win any war. That is not the issue now that Iraq has a government. Winning the peace is the only reason Americans should be part of any ongoing effort in Iraq. Bush administration policies and political persons have never made this an objective.

      Our soldiers have been outstanding in their efforts to follow orders and uphold personal professional honor and conduct.

      The George Bush administration cannot say the same, with misappropriated funds helping increase risk for soldiers in the field of combat. Their families serve also, awaiting safe return, but the Republican Congress has ignored their needs in this personally vested pursuit.

      The retention rate reflects this result of failed Republican leadership in regards to Iraq.

      Establish an increase in pay, concurrent with the Afghanistan-Iraq operations for all troops. Include with this an additional five thousand for all who served per person as part of a package to transition their return to successful civilian life and to reward those who resigned above and beyond.

      Democrats value families that serve and want to see their efforts rewarded once again in light of recent years.

      By emboldening soldiers as they serve one expects that to reflect their continued commitment to excellence.

      Higher values for those who choose the higher calling of service to their country. The people on the ground can win hearts and minds. Our investment in them should show confidence in the same returns.

      The plan is an entrance stratagy for other countries, and this coordinated work will win over a better tommorrow and limit American involvement in some critical terms of meeting conflict. Instead we can allow ours to focus on the feature goal for establishing and securing the peace.

      If George Bush would introduce an exit plan for when he will leave the White House without harming Social Security and the well being of other Americans' jobs and educations we'll call it an even plan if you allow others to help enact a workable Iraq.

      Their sovereignty must be made real, in terms an entire world community can agree upon.

  •  Thank you Congresswoman Pelosi (4.00)
    ...And, just to go with your beautiful quote from Senator Taft, a related one from Teddy Roosevelt:

    "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile.

    To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

  •  Representative Pelosi (4.00)
    That's great.  I was glad to sign.  The days of blank checks must be over.

    I ask a favor of you in return.  Please support my DNC chairman, Howard Dean, openly and vocally.  I realize your quotes were only mildly critical and were taken out of context, but you've been at this long enough to know that's what happens.  Let's all stay sharp.

    Thanks for your great work.

    The news is not the news. I support ePluribus Media.

    by ubikkibu on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:23:47 PM PDT

    •  I was glad to sign, too (4.00)
      I'm glad you're there fighting for us, Congresswoman Pelosi.

      And I echo the sentiment about not publicly criticizing Chairman Dean... or any of our Democratic leaders and representatives. The media loves to play us off one another, and the Republicans love it even more.

      We Democrats need to stop picking motes from each others' eyes when this administration (and its supporters) have entire redwood forests in theirs.

      Deep in my heart, I do believe
      We shall overcome someday.

      by Malacandra on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:59:40 PM PDT

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      •  I also signed (4.00)
        And I also hope you will proudly stand with progressives.

        Not only does that mean supporting Howard Dean, but it means doing more to support and publicize the heroic efforts of John Conyers.

        •  Right on (4.00)
          Thank you Congresswoman Pelosi; this is a tremendous idea.  I am indeed proud to be a citizen co-sponsor.  

          But I agree with my fellow Kossack that we need you to support vocally fellow progressives such as Dean, Durbin, and Conyers.  

          The Republican Party: Redefining Oppression for the 21st Century

          by daveriegel on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:11:41 PM PDT

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    •  Did you read it (none)
      She won't do anything to the President if he doesn't go along with it.

      Stop the war! Draft Bush voters!

      by NoAlternative on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 06:00:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Same here. (4.00)
      Speaking of which, Gilliard catches Bill Frist lying about Dick Durbin -- and the national snooze media, which so eagerly played "Let's you and him fight" with Biden and yourself and Dean, is totally ignoring this.

      Next time somebody in the press asks you about something Durbin said, or Harry Reid said, or Dean said, or any other tough Democrat said, simply say:  "Where were you when Rick Santorum compared Democrats to Hitler?  Did you ask somebody like John McCain to denounce Santorum?  And what about when Dick Cheney told Pat Leahy to 'go f--- yourself' on the Senate floor?  Did you try to get Orrin Hatch to condemn those comments?"

      Now, off to sign the petition!

      •  Cheney did not say (none)
         to Leahy to go f--- himself. He told him to go fuck himself. And he said it loud and clear.

        If you want me to go back to the place I was born , tell your corporations to leave my country (Leon Gieco)

        by cruz del sur on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:27:47 PM PDT

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  •  Already signed and Thank You (none)

    Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

    by bronte17 on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:27:58 PM PDT

  •  Count me in! (n/t) (none)
  •  Thank you Congresswoman (none)
    Supported and signed.

    Thanks for everything. :o)

  •  As an Ohioan, Senator (none)
    It is simply excruciating to agree with a statement made by anybody named Taft right now.

    Welcome to the blog-wars, ma'am.

  •  Welcome to Kos, Representative Pelosi! (none)
    Feel free to post any old time.  

    Of course he's written in the Lamb's Book of Life. He's the Antagonist.

    by ultrageek on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:41:22 PM PDT

  •  Bienvenido (4.00)
    Madame Minority Leader.

    In 2007, Madame Speaker.

    The SCOTUS is Extraordinary.

    by Armando on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:41:56 PM PDT

  •  As you wish! (none)
    Signed and it's going to take a lot of hard work for us all to push the Bush out.

    All men are created equal - some just stick out more.

    by Damnit Janet on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:55:02 PM PDT

  •  Thank you, Rep. Pelosi (none)
    You are speaking for the majority of the American people.  We want to know why we're still there and when we are finished.

    What color are your pajamas?

    by Unstable Isotope on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:55:52 PM PDT

  •  Not only did I sign on... (4.00)
    Not only did I sign on, but in the section where you can add your comments, I wrote:

    "Howard Dean Speaks for Me!  He's been right from the start, and I hope you will support him as he leads the Democratic Party into the future!"

    In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

    by Paul in Berkeley on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 03:59:23 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for your leadership (none)
    and welcome, Rep. Pelosi. And keep the fight going against DeLay.
  •  Let's keep the pressure on this Administration (none)
    Bring the troops home.
  •  supported and signed (none)
    Thank you for the opportunity.

    aka First IED of Warm Humanitarianism

    by samddobermann on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:09:43 PM PDT

  •  Glad to sign, (4.00)
    Rep. Pelosi - but got to add my request that you get behind Dean. He is our voice, the grassroots picked him. While I appreaciate you taking notice of us I want to be sure you realize we are now demanding a seat at the table. We are not just voters/petition signers, or ATM's, we are the people and would like some say about what happens in our lives. We are the folks you were elected to represent, not the corporations. So, it is high time that members of congress started listening to us.

    We are all wearing the blue dress now.

    by PLS on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:14:23 PM PDT

  •  I'm happy to sign (none)
    It's time we stopped this disastrous and unnecessary war for corporate greed.

    I was in the streets at the UN during the fall of 2002 when hardly anyone realized what was going to happen and I'll be in the streets until it ends.

    "Neither falsehood nor appearance and beauty are 'foreign' to truth. They are proper to it, if not its accessories and its underside." - Luce Irigaray

    by lucid on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:24:42 PM PDT

  •  Thank you, Congresswoman (none)
    I live in your district and believe in the goals you are trying to accomplish here -- our soldiers need to come home as soon as possible, and we need to hold those responsible for this quagmire accountable.

    That said, please do not bash our party leader!  A united front is the only way we can win.  

  •  Thank you for the opportunity (none)
    ...and I will forward it to friends
  •  Done, BUT (none)
    Dear Rep Pelosi:

    I'm always willing to sign on, stay informed, write the LTE's, etc.  

    Within a very short time period, I've now signed onto pieces from you, Rep Conyers and Rep Slaughter.  Will you please let us know what the Democrats' own "clear plan" is to have a coordinated strategy to stand up to and demand answers from this administration (as well as Congressional republicans)?  

    I obviously don't mind taking the time, I'm just concerned about the dilution factor.

    Best,

    •  Strategy... (4.00)
      is to keep hammering away.  I think we are building momentum.  

      The questions about the war are not going away. And our true leaders in the Congress--such as Conyers, Durbin, and now Pelosi--continue to press for answers.  

      Personally I think we need a national day of action very soon.

      The Republican Party: Redefining Oppression for the 21st Century

      by daveriegel on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:14:25 PM PDT

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      •  my concern (4.00)
        isn't the hammering, but the coordination -- we can't have a scattershot approach and expect success.  If the plan is to have individual Dems keep up a relentless drip drip from every side, fine, as long as it's a plan, not a default position.  Now really IS the time for the party to unite on this!

        best,

    •  I agree. Coordination is the key (4.00)
      Work together Work WITH Dean not against him. If the Repugs can coordinate their lies why can't Democrats coordinate the truth?? A consistent message of American values without the hypocrisy.

      Thank you for posting, congresswoman. The blogs are the last bastion of democracy in this country. I hope that you are Majority Leader in 2006 when we start to take our country back!

    •  the strategy (4.00)
      conyers and/or kennedy and/or durbin do it first, and get the critiques for being too far left or conspiracy theorists.  

      and then  the slaughters come along.    

      and then the pelosis and kerrys of the world come around 3 months later after all the risks have been taken to jump on the bandwagon  -- but with a half ass proposal, which they hope will build on the press and the support of the forerunners.  

      that appears to be the strategy on things like this...

  •  Done! (none)
    Support our troops - let them live.

    Every man for himself.

    by JLFinch on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:34:29 PM PDT

  •  It is nice (4.00)
    to see elected officials taking part in the citizen education process, inform the voters, and most importantly participate in the discourse.

    I just hope that they are reading what we discuss as much as using as for a forum to help win support for their issues.

    We are the issues here.

    Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty. That is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know. - John Keats "Ode on a Grecian Urn"

    by mismolly on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:41:32 PM PDT

    •  Seconded (none)
      And unlike decades of Republican propagandizing to bring down particular opponents (witness Mitch McConnell's shameful attmept to entrap Sen. Durbin yesterday), Rep. Pelosi's effort is the latest welcome effort by our Democratic representatives to discover the truth about a matter that threatens the very security and integrity of our nation in a competitive world.

      I stand with the Democratic Leader to demand a plan from the White House.  This is one area where the Republicans cannot accuse us, incorrectly, of speaking without offering because they control both the purse and the military chain of command, and it is up to them to demonstrate that they have the least competence to keep America secure.  So far they haven't, and this is an excellent step to tell America just how far the Republicans have endangered our economy and the lives of our soldiers.

      2006 - America Wakes Up

      by socratic on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 04:52:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I have a feeling (none)
    That a plan will not be forthcoming from the Bush admin.

    I honestly believe they don't know how to end this conflict or what the end points will be.  When will Iraq be safe enough?  I believe the admin will try and have an excuse for maintaining troops in Iraq, it is true when you invade you have bought it.

    They want Iraq not only for the oil, but for the chance to influence and project there power accross the entire middle east.  They want to destabilize countries that they dislike and they want to stabilize opposition that supports the USA (not necessarily democracy).  They plan on remain for a long time.

    It's up to Democrats to choose a different route.

  •  Count this lifelong Decline-to-State in. (none)
    After all, force protection begins at home.
  •  Thank you and more. (none)
    There is so much to be done -- and this is a start.  Demanding that bush tell us what his plans are up front is a really good idea.

    And dealing 'evenhandedly' with the pro-Iraq war votes and the anti-Iraq war votes in Congress is also a good way to chart a course that we can all agree on.

  •  Welcome. Please help us understand: (4.00)
    Rep. Pelosi,

    We look forward to your contributions to the Daily Kos.
    Some of us have questions.  I sincerely hope you don't mind.  Please treat them respectfully, as they are anything but rhetorical.

    As you may know, this administration already has a strategy for success in Iraq:
    We are going to stay until we have trained the Iraqis to handle their own security, support democratic efforts to create an Iraqi Constitution this summer, and leave as soon as we possibly can.

    If that answer is satisfactory to you, your Amendment will do nothing but justify continued funding, and put a Democratic stamp of approval on the dangerous status quo, in your name.

    If that answer is less than satisfactory, your Amendment's wording must reflect that or it may be less than worthless. Isn't it Congress's duty to apply the Power of the Purse and make any further funding conditional on an accountable executive branch and plan?  If your commitment is genuine, the wording of a final Pelosi Amendment should reflect that reality.  

    How about something like "Without a credible answer, this is the last dollar the administration will get for this occupation, and so for the safety of its military and citizens the Executive should arrange for their return to the United States with these allotted funds."?

    A related question:
    Why did you fight against your Democratic colleague Lynn Woolsey, the majority of Democrats, and several wise Republicans (128 Congresspeople) in their efforts to demand an exit strategy in an Amendment without your name on it, just a few weeks ago?  How does their definition of an "exit strategy" differ from your idea of "success" in Iraq in ways that prevented you from supporting them?

    We cry out for your leadership.

    •  I would like to see the exact language of the (none)
      amendment. I doubt the quoted language is the statutory language.

      "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

      by muledriver on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:44:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Thank you (3.75)
      Why did she vote for initiatives that will probably be used to extend the war into Iran and Syria later on.  I believe she sponsered a few of them.  If she is outraged by the war why does't she do more than whine about it?

      Stop the war! Draft Bush voters!

      by NoAlternative on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:54:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Exactly! n/t (none)

      All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets. ~Voltaire

      by TexH on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 06:19:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Levity (none)
      I guess you forgot about the 11th commandment.

      Remember, it was Nancy Pelosi who as Democratic whip, led the opposition to the Iraq War Resolution, and got 60 percent of the Democratic caucus to vote against the resolution.  She did all this despite Leader Gephardt's (who I admire very much) support of the war resolution.

      As to the Woolsey amendment, good anti-war liberals like Pelosi's close friend Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), Sandy Levin (D-Mich.), and Mark Udall (D-Colo.) -- all who voted against the 2002 Iraq War Resolution -- voted against the Woolsey amendment.  Now do I agree with Pelosi, DeLauro, Levin, and Udall on Woolsey Amendment vote?  Probably not.  But given Pelosi's willingness to challenge Bush on Iraq such as calling the President "incompetent" last year and calling for Secretary Rumsfeld's resignation, I'm willing to cut our leader some slack.

      Let's give Nancy Pelosi credit where credit is due.  She's more willing to take political risks, which is exactly what Democrats yearn for in their leadership right now, than any other Democratic leader in recent memory.  There's a reason the Democratic caucus voted her to be the first woman in American History to head either party.

  •  I signed on, too, but I'm with Naomi Klein (3.75)
    when she says:

    "We should be saying, "Let's pull the troops out but let's leave some hope behind." We can't be afraid to talk about reparations, to demand freedom from debt for Iraq, a total abandonment of Bremer's illegal economic laws, full Iraqi control over the reconstruction budget -- there are many more examples of concrete policy demands that we can and must put forth.

    "When we articulate a more genuine definition of democracy than we are hearing from the Bush administration, we will bring some hope to Iraq. And we will bring closer to us many of the 58 percent who are opposed to the war but aren't marching with us yet because they are afraid of cutting and running."

    http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21980

  •  I know this is putting the cart before the horse.. (none)
    but I bet many here would appreciate this line of thinking...

    Democrats take Congress in 2006, much like the Republicans of 1994... House Judiciary Chairman Conyers, armed with new evidence from a DSM inquiry begins the impeachment hearings... The Democratic Congress votes to impeach and remove Bush and Cheney... Third in command, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi becomes President...

    Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? :-)

    •  I was (none)
      just thinking that earlier. I can wait on the impeachment 'til the midterms are done.

      Congresswoman, welcome! So glad to hear from my Representative. Keep in touch.

      Why is it so hot in here, and what am I doing in this handbasket?

      by justme on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:59:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Recommended and signed! (none)
    Many thanks!
  •  NOW A FAVOR FROM YOU MADAM LEADER (3.90)
    ok I signed your petition but now I would like to ask for something in return..please try and make sure the DSM gets mentioned as often as possible ON the floor of the house.

    "Not even Revelations threatens a plague of vengeful yahoos." H. S. Thompson

    by KnotIookin on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:09:24 PM PDT

  •  Done (4.00)
    Thank you for posting this.

    I am one of the proud 10 percent who never approved of Bush or anything he did.  I knew the war was  a lie and I am a bit pissed at my party for not fighting it harder.
    But all will be forgiven if you all start listening to Dean.  BTW he speaks for me.

    Tired of the corporate DLC suck ups?WE'VE GOT DEANS BACK

    by TeresaInPa on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:47:14 PM PDT

  •  What's the fucking point? (4.00)
    Mr. President The-Constitution-Is-Toilet-Paper Shithead will just blow Congress off, as he has done a hundred times.  This amendment has no teeth, is poorly worded, and accomplishes nothing save stroking our own and Representative Pelosi's egos.

    Now if Pelosi has something more confrontational, a la Conyers, up her sleeve, I'm all for it.  But I don't see that here.

    "Don't want to be an American idiot..." -- Green Day

    by Black Maned Pensator on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:48:19 PM PDT

  •  If you want them home (3.85)
    Why did you vote against Woolsey's exit strategy. This is the same no teeth wishy washyness that got us in to the war.  It is a blank check in the end because this amendment will do nothing to the President if he fails to comply.  Woolsey's would have forced compliance.

    Stop the war! Draft Bush voters!

    by NoAlternative on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:59:23 PM PDT

  •  I'll Sign it, sure, BUT...... (none)
    ...as a fellow Bay Area Dem, it would be nice if you would no longer attend fluffy White House picnics. Why have leisure time with those who plot your destruction? Please stay away from the scum of this administration during their fun time. They hate you, so why pretend?

    I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies.

    by Antibush Superstar on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 05:59:26 PM PDT

    •  And please, Leader Pelosi, (3.80)
      No more laughing at Bush's WMD jokes (D'oh!) I know you were just being polite, but they will use things like this against you, and to diminish Dems every chance they get.

      Viewers saw video of House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi laughing at Bush's jokes, but Cowan relayed how Pelosi, "who laughed at time, later said she was just being polite." In a soundbite, Pelosi declared: "I really don't think it's funny."
  •  Signed. (none)
    nt

    "The billboards shade the flags they wave. . ." -Bright Eyes

    by indiemcemopants on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 06:01:03 PM PDT

  •  Ms. Pelosi--I have signed the petition, (4.00)
    and appreciate your invitation to do so.  Also, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you to please, please ensure that Democrats support one another in public.  On my mind, of course, it the recent lack of public support--and outright criticism--of Howard Dean's recent remarks.  Have Biden and others who criticized him publicly not heard of the telephone?  It's a really nifty invention, you just pick up the receiver, dial, and you can speak directly to the person with whom you have concerns! Who would have thought!  Coordinating our public face is not the same as suppression of dissent--get all our people on the same page, please.

    ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

    by bibble on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 06:16:30 PM PDT

  •  We can do more. We owe the Iraqis BIG TIME (4.00)
    Six Iraqi trade unionists, under fire from both the military/industrial occupation AND the insurgents, are now in the US on a two-week, twenty city tour, sponsored by US Labor Against the War.

    Show them you give a damn about what our government did to them; tell them you're with them in their fight for justice and democracy. Send your message of solidarity here.


  •  as I said as a citizen co-sponsor: (none)
    This war is a lie, and only stopping funding stopped Vietname...do the same for Iraq and bring the troops home to a heroes welcome.

    Jesus: Destroy this temple - Gospel of John

    by The Gnostic on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 06:32:15 PM PDT

  •  OK I'm on board (none)
    I'm with everyone raring to fight these undescribables. Come on Sharks theres blood in the water. After yesterday I feel great.

    The meek shal inherit the earth but only  sixx feet of it.

  •  Wilkommen, bienvenue, welcome (none)
    I'm glad you called yourself House Democratic Leader instead of House Minority Leader because we hope to do something about that minority status soon.

    Welcome, welcome, welcome!

    I have a lot of strong views about the way our leaders should be speaking for us, but will share those with you at another time.

    I'm very glad you're posting here and look forward to hearing regularly from your office.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 07:05:29 PM PDT

  •  Taft was right...and so was Teddy Roosevelt (none)

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt ( in 1918 during the first world war )
  •  Politicians and DailyKos (4.00)
    I signed, too, but I'm going to keep checking back to see if Ms. Pelosi responds to the comments people have been making--some evidence that she reads what is written here.  I'm uncomfortable to think that this website might be a easy tool for politicans to get signatures on a petition, without really have to engage with the voices and ideas here.  It strikes me as a problematic kind of exploitation.

    When I see things like Dean randomly calling people who donated as little as $25 to the DNC, and Conyers (was it him?) responding to peoples comments on this site . . . and giving regular updates on his project, I feel really excited about the direction of our party.  It seems a little more possible that "our leaders" in Washington really are our leaders.  That's excellent.

    So I guess I'm waiting to see what happens with Ms. Pelosi.  Dean and Conyers are fiery . . . I DO think it's important to them to maintain dialogue with their local and national constituencies.  I hope Ms. Pelosi's got some of that in her, too.

  •  Done, and Done (none)
    thank you Nancy Pelosi

    "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

    by theRoaringGirl on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 08:15:51 PM PDT

  •  asdf (4.00)
    I just want to see a legitimate response to the questions that have been proposed in here by fellow kossacks.
  •  Thank you, Congresswoman Pelosi. (none)
    You're terrific, and keep up the good work!!!

    I'm thrilled that you are the House Minority Leader, and you and Senator Reid are both doing a great job.

    Will support you as much as possible.

  •  thanks for your good work (4.00)
    I think you've been very effective on most issues, Rep. Pelosi. Except Iraq.

    And I think that your effort to come to terms with it in this ammendment is....well, I hate to say it, but I think Arianna Huffington's response was fairly dead on, when she said: "The Pelosi measure simply directs Bush to give Congress a "report on a strategy for success in Iraq"....Basically, the White House would be called on to set forth the criteria by which it should be judged... Wow, you sure you want to set the bar that high, Nancy?"

    Thanks again for your hard work, both in front of the cameras and behind the scenes, and I hope you manage to formulate a less hedged position on this.

    I'm not waving my hands in the air and screaming bring them home today, but we need more teeth than I see here.

    "Where did it all go wrong? There ought to be a law against Henry./ -Mr. Bones: there is." - John Berryman

    by watt on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:08:30 PM PDT

  •  Done (none)
    And passed on.

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King, Jr

    by SarahLee on Fri Jun 17, 2005 at 11:52:42 PM PDT

  •  What about the bases? (4.00)
    I read the amendment and like it. But what about the bases being built in Iraq? Do we know for certain how many are being built, the reasons they're being built, and where they are located? I'm not aware of this information and would like to see it added if we don't already know this information. I consider it important to know in order for us to understand our future objectives.

    Democrats -- Progress for the Working Class

    by rogun on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 01:25:12 AM PDT

  •  I'm sorry, (3.66)
    But I once again feel like a lone voice in the wilderness on this one...

    Whether we admit it or not, we failed Iraq back when Democrats failed to show spine or initiative when Bush was originally not only bound and determined, but transparent as his justifications wavered and waffled around whatever he thought would work in the moment.  

    I argued against the invasion, but once we started, my new fear was that we would fail to remain committed in the face of the defeat I was sure we would experience not just in Iraq, but in the entire Middle East.

    If I may speak frankly, we, the American people and Congress FUCKED UP and committed outrage and injustice and ineptitude and cruelty and disruption and chaos and madness on a lot of innocent people.  

    Let's not make excuses.  Let's make it right.  Let's make it right as best we can and beg apology and stand up to our mistakes, for a change.

    Does that mean we just abruptly remove our troops from the hellhole we created?  Maybe.  But I think we owe the Iraqi people much more than that.  If they want us to just get out so they can fight it out on their own - so be it.  But WE - not just Bush and his henchmen - created this mess and allowed this mess, and we cannot in good conscience, just walk away from it at this point.

    We owe the Iraqi people much more than that.

    I agree we must demand an accounting.  I agree we must demand that the current administration lay out a clear cut plan and criteria that define "success".  But I will not sign a petition that means we will abandon the people WE have devastated.

    I have not forgotten the madness and the bloodthirst and the frothing at the mouth that took place as Bushco lay their ill-planned strategy before the American people.  I may have argued my heart out, but I am still part of America's spirit, and I feel an irrevokable responsibility to amend this wrong.

    I'll sign when withdrawal is more than a popular demand.  I'll sign when withdrawal will clearly benefit the wronged people of Iraq.  I'll sign when I know it is more than cutting corporate economic losses from a bad plan.  Halliburton needs to fulfill their freaking exclusive contract, no matter what losses they incur.

  •  "Congress expects"? What does that mean? (3.66)
    I'm all for the apparent spirit of this amendment, but Congress expects a lot of things. So what? When did Bush or the GOP ever care about what Congress expects? I guess I'll get as enthusiastic as some here are when I see a bill of impeachment. I don't think anything less can be more than window dressing.
  •  unrecommended (4.00)
    wish i could.

    i've been patronized before, but this takes the cake.

  •  not enought; you need to oppose bases (3.66)
    Rep. Pelosi,

    I was more than disappointed in your statements to AIPAC.

    Israel wanted the United States to invade Iraq. It was hardly the only consideration, but the Bush administration would certainly not have invaded over the objections of Israel.

    Israel also wants the United States to permanently base troops in Iraq, like we did in Germany, Japan and Korea.

    You need to get it clear whether you are advocating for the interestes of the American people or AIPAC and Israel.

    It's all well-and-good for you to fire-up the base, but I'm skeptical of your sincerity.

    You need to be pushing the issue of U.S. bases in Iraq. The Dem Party should be clear that its vision for Iraq is no permanent U.S. military bases there and no troops stationed there.

    Do you have the courage to stand-up for the American people against the Israel lobby?

    I don't think so.

    Bloggin Blagojevich's Blunders: do you want to see Roddy B challenged in the Dem Primary?

    by Carl Nyberg on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 07:03:33 AM PDT

  •  Done and thank you for (none)
    speaking for those of us who love our country and want to stop thiss illegal war.

    I also hope we can get impeachment hearings.

  •  I'll sign, and ... (none)
    Rep. Pelosi, please don't take this site or the netroots for granted.  I echo the sentiments of many upthread who expressed concern about your statment on Howard Dean.

    Thanks for posting about this worthwhile effort.

    Let's get serious about renewables and efficiency. It's time to Win the Oil Endgame.

    by by foot on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 10:08:52 AM PDT

  •  Signed (none)
    but as a show of support for Chairman Dean, I ask you this Rep. Pelosi, can you give us a big televised "YEEEAAAARRGGGHH!" some time soon.

    "Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground?" -George Washington

    by House on Sat Jun 18, 2005 at 10:36:00 AM PDT

  •  Pelosi blowing another leadership opportunity? (none)
    Hundreds of Recommenders and likely thousands of readers here were optimistically encouraging a dialogue, without necessarily endorsing Rep. Pelosi's "co-sponsor" effort.

    Perhaps she'll learn this is an interactive, Daily Kos forum.  By now, every hour that passes with no reply - to these many loyal Democrats' handful of extremely fair questions - makes Rep. Pelosi look more like an opportunistic, less than competent hack.

    We welcomed Rep. Pelosi yesterday, but if her appearance here proves to be a cynical, momentary effort to obtain signatures, she will send many of us looking for alternative bills, Iraq solutions and leaders.

    If Pelosi doesn't get it, at least the staffer who posted this should begin damage control soon.

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