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Thank you for all of your responses to my post.  The passion and insight from so many of you is the foundation of our strong Democratic Party.

After reading through many of your comments, I want to make sure you know:

I support John Murtha 100 percent and I have opposed the Iraq war from the beginning.

I have long supported publicly funded elections.

The purpose of my privileged resolutions is to put the Republican Congress, over and over again, on record as covering up the truth by refusing to even debate the issues at the core of our democracy.  The House does not have the same parliamentary procedures as the Senate does, such as the one Leader Reid used to shut down the Senate last year, but we will continue to look for opportunities to creatively and aggressively demonstrate the Republican hypocrisy and rubber stamping of the President's agenda. Your suggestions are always appreciated.

I am deeply concerned by the President's justification for his domestic wire tapping program and the Administration's unwillingness to provide details of the program to members of the intelligence committee.  Senator Feingold's complaints served to highlight some critical issues about the program and the lack of accountability in the Bush Administration. This is a serious matter and all of the facts about the surveillance program must be fully investigated before we start talking about punitive action.  

I really like the blog name MyDD because Direct Democracy is what this medium excels at.  Your passion, your enthusiasm, your frustration, and your suggestions have been met with open ears. To those who are concerned about the Democratic course of action, let me assure you that we share a common cause: Democrats gaining control of Congress in November. We may sometimes disagree as to how this can best be accomplished, but that's what the Democratic Party is about.  As "Crashing the Gate" demonstrated, even people who do not agree with each other on all issues can affect positive change if they stay unified.  My job is to keep House Democrats unified on behalf of the people's interests, not the special interests, and as the New York Times reported today and Time Magazine reported last week, we've been doing a good job.  We did it on Medicare. We did it on Social Security. We did it on tax cuts.  And we're going to do it today on the budget.

Those of you that have heard me speak before may know that I often quote President John F. Kennedy. He said this, "Let us begin anew -- remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof."  In that vein, I will do my best to stay current with what this community is writing and thinking and I make this pledge to you: every week that Congress is in session, I will come to and report back on what House Democrats are doing to hold Republicans and the President accountable.  I look forward to this continuing discussion and again, thank you for your comments. Together, this November we'll give the Republicans all the accountability they can handle.

UPDATE: I just returned from a press conference on how the Republicans in the House had to pull their immoral budget from the House floor because they didn't have the votes. That's a win for us!

All of us know that trust is earned and my commitment to participating in this community will not waver. I don't have the kind of schedule that allows for me to respond to every comment, but I will delegate a staffer on my future posts to answer your questions and to keep me updated on your thoughts, reactions, and ideas. To clear up a couple of initial comments - I was not lost in cyberspace, I was perfectly aware that I was posting on Daily Kos. As for the DD, it appears many of us may be unclear as to the meaning of its acronym. With that said, we can all use both due diligence and direct democracy. And on our unity on tax cuts, I was referring to our opposition to the irresponsible Republican tax reconciliation bill.

I thank you for your patience and for your welcoming of me. Until next week...

Originally posted to House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:40 PM PDT.

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  •  As a constituent (15+ / 0-)

    I do hope you are able to affect some change as majority leader!  Especially in the publicly funded elections realm.

    Visit and follow every 2006 Senate race.

    by AnthonySF on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:46:41 PM PDT

  •  uh...oops (46+ / 0-)

    I really like the blog name MyDD because Direct Democracy is what this medium excels at

    Dear House staffer - when you cut and paste, please be sure to change any details that might "depersonalize" the posting.

    You can read my journal and see photos from my recent trip to Afghanistan at

    by Sharon Jumper on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:46:54 PM PDT

  •  House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (43+ / 0-)
    Thank you for coming back.

    I hope you get the chance to read my response to your diary yesterday. I mean well by it.

    What object is served by this circle of misery and violence and fear? It must tend to some end, or else our universe is ruled by chance, which is unthinkable.

    by Carnacki on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:47:02 PM PDT

  •  I'd still like to hear (27+ / 0-)

    I'd still like to hear from you Ms. Pelosi exactly what we can expect from you if the Democrats gain control of Congress in the 06 elections and specifically whether or not you will pledge in advance to support full and complete investigations into the criminal conduct of the Republicans over the past 6 years.

  •  Thank you for coming back. (37+ / 0-)

    While I agree with some of the criticism and concerns from yesterday, I don't like the tone of some of them.

    I, too, hope you and Sen. Reid will raise the heat even more, and relentlessly. We have let them get away with far too much. We need more unity as democrats and a lot more action.

    That said, I'm still proud you represent me.

    Please keep answering comments and keep posting here.

    •  Hear, hear (16+ / 0-)

      I went back and read that diary, and it made Kossacks look like a bunch of raving lunatics.  Yeah, okay, a lot of us are to the left of most Democrats, but there's a little thing called political reality that needs to be kept in mind if we want to win elections.  It's funny: it's always struck me that Markos intended this site to be a pretty pragmatic one, to support Democrats' goal of gaining power.  IOW, this isn't My Left Wing.  But the rank and file is off tilting at windmills way too much of the time, if you ask me.


      -9.00, -3.69 Bush, 12/12/05: "I think we are welcomed [in Iraq]. But it was not a peaceful welcome."

      by SlackerInc on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:26:42 PM PDT

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      •  I posted upthread (3+ / 0-)
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        It's like there's some sort of Rodney Dangerfield complex getting passed around here.

        Maybe Cartmann, <whine>"But, Congresswoman Pelosiiiiii, I want some Cheesey pooofs!" </ whine>

      •  I'll second that emotion (1+ / 1-)
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        There ARE a lot of far left people here, people who want to push the limits.

        Those people are awfully mean on a regular basis to those people that think there is a political reality that we must deal with - they don't want to deal with reality, and suggest that working within the system that exists will never work, and we must have radical change.

        I suggest that politicians in Congress know better than we do about how things must work in order to get done.

        I happen to agree with Pelosi that BEFORE one says that Bush should be censured, one should investigate and give people the opportunity to examine the excuses from the Bush Administration.

        If he were censured NOW, before his claims that what he did was legal and/or authorized by Congress, he would simply claim that his assertions were not given proper audience. We MUST give him a chance to prove his case, and then have his case fall flat, since it won't hold water!

        ...but not your own facts.

        by slouise217 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:41:05 PM PDT

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        •  Disagree! (5+ / 0-)
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          snakelass, bablhous, Jawis, viscerality, oolon

          Suggest that both you and Ms. Pelosi should read the NSA arguments on Glenn Greenwald's blog (see link at left there for collection of articles).  The administration admits to illegally avoiding FISA for years.  

          Of course there should ALSO be investigations into just what's been done.  But FISA is the law, has been for 28 years, and Bush admits breaking it.  That alone calls for censure.

      •  People are angry (4+ / 0-)

        I'm stating the obvious, of course.

        People are angry, really angry, and really frustrated.  And it showed in that diary.  Things have gotten so bad, and it's been so wrong for so long.  The only thing that is going to calm down the fury is real action.  We need actions to back up the words of our representatives.

        It was pretty ugly in the comments to Rep. Pelosi's diary but I am proud of the attitude being displayed in today's diary, both by Rep. Pelosi and the dkos community.  It means that a message got across and that we realize this is "business," and that even though angry words were exchanged we can still work together.  And we will display support just as strong as the frustration that was displayed, if we are truly represented and see results.  

        I am willing to give Rep. Pelosi the benefit of the doubt and believe that she is going to do what she says, and that she is going to listen to the people.  We have to remember that Congress, by design, doesn't work very quickly - but we should definitely be able to see progress.

        On Bush: "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." --(borrowed from) Churchill

        by joanneleon on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:18:41 PM PDT

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      •  Disagree with 'left of most Democrats' label (6+ / 0-)

        I know that I'm a sample of one, but it sure seems to me that we have lost our way as a country over the past 5 years due to our current "leadership".  Ted Kennedy often makes the point that the current leadership is actively undermining a generation of progress (especially human rights and individual freedom and social justice).  It seems that there are few hearing him.  I know we can criticize Kennedy for his personal failings, but I have dropped the stone at my feet.  

        I have only been active in political activities two times in my 58 years...during Viet Nam (served but wasn't sent) and now.  What is happening right now is far worse than the Nixon era, and that's saying a lot.  For most of us the daily tragedy of Iraq has no price to pay, either in loved ones lives or health or our money.  The money part will definitely come (check out bonddad's analysis of the debt).  And my heart and prayers go out to those who are serving us and putting their lives on the line for causes that should be just and good.   Thankfully there are people on this weblog who understand that.  So, don't be surprised when the dialogue becomes a bit passionate here.  If that's "left", well then "left" is good.

        •  This denigration of the 'left' has been going on (3+ / 0-)

          so long, we're even buying into it.

          I was a lefty, a natural Democrat from the get-go. Daddy was a union man at the Tidewater Oil refinery in Bayonne and Grandpa worked at the Bethlehem Steel shipyard. I listened to a lot of kitchen conversations as I grew up until I was old enough to join them. My politics and attitudes haven't changed much in all these years. But the air around me did. And so did my party.

          Somehow, I now find myself classified as somewhere to the lee side of Mao. It's like I stayed still while everything slid to the right, a bit at a time, stabilized until people felt it was normal and then it would slide again.

          Consider, if you are ALL the way to the right extreme, everyone else is 'left' of you.

          I now find myself being mocked by people in the Democratic party when I state something 'leftist' like 'Of course I'm my brother's keeper and he is mine'. Somehow, it's still a sin to be 'left', even among ourselves.

          I remember when Newt Gingrich began the campaign to demonize the label 'Liberal'. And it worked, too, didn't it? Consider how many of us self-identify as 'Progressives'.

          Yeah, well, I'm a damned Liberal and proud of it.

          My party now feels like the old Republican party. But I'm not a Republican. If the new Democrats are the old Republicans, I have no home.

          I guess I need a new label.

          And a new party.

          "We have to address the fact that the president has broken the law." -- Senator Russ Feingold.

          by bablhous on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 08:23:49 PM PDT

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    •  I agree, and according to Amy Sullivan.... (17+ / 0-)

      ...she and some of the other leaders are not quite as invisible as we may have thought.

      In fact, as Howard Fineman would later report, Pelosi had worked behind the scenes to convince Murtha to go public with his change of heart and orchestrated the timing of his announcement. Knowing that the credibility of Murtha's position would be damaged if it looked like he was the token hawk being used by “cut and run” liberal Democrats, Pelosi made the strategic calculation to put Murtha in the spotlight by himself for a few weeks before stepping forward to endorse his suggestion.

      The strategy worked, and it allowed Murtha to visibly establish Democrats as the advocates of what now looks like the position toward which our Iraq policy is headed


        That said, I do hope that they will be more aggressive than in the past; the time is right.

      "We *should* pay attention to that man behind the curtain"

      by Ed Tracey on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:33:41 PM PDT

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    •  get away with far too much.......for far to long! (3+ / 0-)

      This current Republican juggernaut just steam rolled over the left, and more recently the moderate right, in a well developed, well funded, ass-kicking(sigh)manner.  
      In the mean time, our Dem elected officials stood around hoping that the definition of insanity (doing the same thing in the same way and expecting different results) would some how prove untrue, and a simple miracle would occur.

      Well, WE THE PEOPLE, are the miracle, and have been all along. WE the people have some pretty basic expectations for our ELECTED officials-      

      • We will not accept a voting system that does not  

       provide a paper trail

      • We will not accept a President who holds himself  

       above the Constitution.

      • We want health care for the young, elderly,

       working, infirm, Vets, poor, etc.

      • We want the top 10% economically to pay their fair

       share, and not get tax cut after tax cut.

      • We want out of Iraq, and the troops home safely.
      • We want the reputation of this country  


      I'm sure that my kossack family can add to our list of expectations, as we've been expressing ourselves quite vocally, financially, intellectually, emotionally, and diversely for several years.

      We are the minority-the opposition-the better choice! Get tough! Get this country back from the war profiteering machine ruining it now.

      And can this happen in my lifetime, please!

      Nothing short of an aroused public can change things, nothing less than democracy is at stake- Bill Moyers

      by maggiemae on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:00:31 PM PDT

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    •  Likewise (3+ / 0-)
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      Thanks to Rep Pelosi for returning; we do need her help, and hope that she is listening to us and hears the passion.  And we damn sure want what Hugh Hewitt fears: 'Speaker Murtha, Majority Leader Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid'.  

      But I also echo the above plea to turn up the heat and behave like someone representing the interests of "we the people".  How many more examples do we need of a runaway, deceitful, incompetent and unaccountable authoritarian executive branch...oh, one more today with the Libby testimony about leakers Bush and Cheney...what do we have to look forward to tomorrow?  Time is wasting...action is needed.

  •  Might I suggest... (39+ / 0-)

    ...that you find a way to get involved in the YearlyKos event so that an open dialogue can occur between yourself and members of this community.  It doesn't seem to be happening through the commentary so far.

    I believe there are a number of areas you are directly involved in that would make for great discussion.

    For example, can you explain why there is a rumored "ethics truce" in the house?  Or am I mistaken that it's not a rumor?

    Al Gore: A Leader with Vision

    by Zergle on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:49:40 PM PDT

  •  nice to see back here! (50+ / 0-)

    Welcome to the great Democratic debate.

    one question? will you be joining us here in the comments? Or at least a staffer perhaps?

    And yes, let the debate be civil, and honest.

    Onto the 11 resolutions.  I love the idea of getting the GOP on record. However, will this be used aggressively in the campaigns? The American people need to know specifics, not just that Rep. X is part of the culture of corruption.

    Again, welcome back. We're concerned citizens, and we don't bite. Much. ;)

    •  Staffer to comment (2+ / 0-)
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      What a good idea!

      Of course, it would be better to hear from Rep. Pelosi herself (though who could tell for sure who was doing the posting), but some effort at interaction (therefore also a sign of attentiveness at least at the staff-level) would be most appreciated.  

      •  She's a busy girl (0+ / 0-)

        And like you said, there's no garantee whether its just a staffer behind the screen name.  But generally speaking, its the thought that counts.

        I'm hoping she wouldn't post anything on DailyKos diaries that was erronous, or let a staffer do the same.

        The bottom line is that we love to see strong progressive action.  If we wanted empty-headed rhetoric and bullshit promises while getting shafted in the ear two decades.when we weren't looking, we'd be voting Republican.  It's worth remembering, people are going to vote Democrat when the Democrats stand up for the people's beliefs.  They won't vote Democrat just on hopes and promises alone.  Republicans screwed us once on that.  (Please God, hopefully) the American public won't be fooled twice in the same decade.

  •  Good start... (20+ / 1-)

    Representative Pelosi,

    This is a great start.  It is good to acknologe that our comments were recieved by you.  One of the draw backs of this type of medium, is that you don't know if the other person is actually listening.  Now, we know you are.

    I would continue the message from your last post, that we want action.  I understand you are much more limited then Senator Reid due to the rules of the House.  But more needs to be done.  Find someone with a flair for the dramatic and get them to plan it.  We want stronger statements from you and your office about Iraq and a plan for the future.

    Contining to post here and recieve feedback is the best way to "plug into" the Democratic base.  The people here, myself included, are invested in our future, and we will support those who we see as sharing similar goals.

    Let's see some action, Congresswoman!

    "No government has the right to tell its citizens whom to love. The only queer people are those who don't love anybody." - Rita Mae Brown (-4.75, -7.13)

    by AUBoy2007 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:50:16 PM PDT

    •  acknowlege (1+ / 0-)
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      I need to learn to proof-read better.

      "No government has the right to tell its citizens whom to love. The only queer people are those who don't love anybody." - Rita Mae Brown (-4.75, -7.13)

      by AUBoy2007 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:07:42 PM PDT

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    •  Yet Another Press Release (9+ / 0-)

      or "Feedback my Aerse"

      Continuing to post here and recieve feedback

      I must have slept through that - all I've seen is a series of press releases. This "diary" shows that Pelosi's staff are completely politically tone deaf.

      There is no feedback loop in operation here , I suspect that these "diaries" are the result of some focus group or overpaid and status quo driven consultant who has assessed blog readers as x percent of the vote and therefore worth press release diaries.

      Don't expect to hear her discussing her interactions with the left of center blogs on the SCLM any time soon. Same consultant would have told her not to alienate the middle ground after all, that is what consultants do.

      I think that I will end this rant while I am still capable.

      'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

      by stevej on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:25:21 PM PDT

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  •  I have three suggestions (29+ / 0-)

    File ethics complaints against Tom DeLay and other republicans who broke the law.

    Find Rep. Slaughter's report and put it back up on your website.

    Stop being scared and fight this immoral administration and their rubber stamp friends.

    "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again, but already it was impossible to say which was which."

    by Lefty the playwright on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:50:21 PM PDT

  •  You took the high road on this (44+ / 0-)

    despite the fact that so many responses were not civil and some were downright rude. I think that people are just so frustrated and worried.  I know that I am.  We watch as our beloved country is being torn apart, and we get impatient.  Thanks for responding and vowing to keep in touch.

    •  i know (1+ / 0-)
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      i look forward to another generic non-specific post about all the things that they've accomplished very soon.  

      so when's that first ethics complaint against the Duke-stir gonna show up?

      You can lead an elephant to water but you can't make 'em think.

      by bill in wa on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:21:51 PM PDT

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  •  Thank You and Please Support Senator Boxer (9+ / 0-)

    Thank you for wanting to enter into a dialogue, Representative Pelosi!  I would encourage you to support Senator Boxer as she works to support Senator Feingold.  

    The Democrats need to make themselves distinct from the Republicans and come out as the party of true direct democracy.  This is one of the things that both Senator Boxer and Senator Feingold appear to be doing.  It would also be a help if you were to publicize the great work on Republican Corruption that Representative Slaughter put together.  That would be a nice step forward.

    Please help.


  •  The House surely has Parliamentary (7+ / 0-)

    procedures that you could employ if Democrats wished. Could you not request roll call votes on everything, unless Republicans began to e.g. investigate the NSA spying scandal? The government's lies in the run-up to the war?

    Why, in other words, are the gloves coming off only now, and to what purpose, and what are we going to see that is different than the pusillanimous behavior until now?

    One commenter remarked wittily that the gloves came off to better scoop up the money. Harsh, but perhaps fair.

    •  I'm wondering (3+ / 0-)
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      why, rather than the gloves coming off, you aren't you passing the puck around the ice fast and scoring some goals. Seeing Bush today, it's pretty clear that the other side has got an empty net.

    •  Not as much as you'd think (1+ / 0-)
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      Because the House is a majoritarian body, and has a Rules Committee naturally dominated by the majority Goopers, Denny Hastert and John Boehner can set rules on bills that prohibit amendments, restrict debate, etc. and basically set up a clear path to a final floor vote.

      Sad to say, but in the House, when you're the minority, you are S.O.L.

      Therefore, Leader Pelosi has to be extra devious in drawing attention to the Democratic platform, such as it is. Come early fall, expect to see a LOT of high profile press ops and stunts, and hopefully some primetime speeches laying out a catchy platform. The GOP Contract With/On America wasn't even announced until Sept. 94, if I recall.

      I say Billings, do be careful with that missile!

      by Chairman Bob on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:06:08 PM PDT

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    •  Watch C SPAN (3+ / 0-)
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      I watch it when I can, regularly last summer. I found out some surprising things like those 'rules' that the Rubber Stamp Republicans keep on making to keep the Democrats hands tied behind their back as the minority Party--and those are the Parliamentary rules that the Republicans use.

      Remember last summer when Sensenbrenner shut down the Democratic Hearings on the Patriot Act? Representative Conyers used one of those Parlimentary rules for the minority party that said as the minority when the majority party holds a 'committee hearing' on an issue, then the minority party can also call one, Rep. Conyers did, and during that hearing Sensenbrenner shut it down using that Parliamentary rules.

      Then using those Parliamentary Rules the Republicans also made a new rule that committee hearings don't need to be held for all issues, so, that cut off the Right of the Democratic Minority to hold hearings like that again.

      The Republicans have the majority they have used those Parilmentary rules to their advantage, and when the Democrats use Parilmentary rules, then a new rule is made to counter act that one as well.

      The Republicans under DeLay and Hassert, Sensenbrenner have had tight rein on the House,

      Well, I have attempted to often to explain this, and sometimes I get so frustrated, I know some people have come to understand what has been happening in the House, it hasn't been easy at all,

      I watched C SPAN today on the budget committee meetings, it wasn't pretty at all, watch it sometimes, it is atrocious what the Democrats have to endure, they will get up and speak passionately, then a Republican will get up and mock their method of speaking,make rude comments on what they are wearing,  such rude, childish behavior, they name call, they yell and scream at the Democrats--daily over and over.

      Until I got involved and I mean really involved in watching the House in action, I had no idea what so ever what was going on there. I mean important votes held open breaking the rules to allow republicans to treaten and arm twist other republicans to change their votes.

      What I know will happen when the Democrats take control--first off over sight hearings, accountability hearings, they know how to run the Congress.

      Please watch the House, it is far, far worse than the Senate and I know anyone will be amazed at how important the Democrats are in fighting against the Republicans. Only no one reports that, no one writes much about it, it's so frustrating.

  •  Thanks for responding, Nancy. (18+ / 0-)

    You've shown integrity and responsiveness by doing so.  


    What do you and the House Democratic leadership intend to do to show support with Russ Feingold's censure resolution?  You've said yourself that you've been turned down 11 times when asking for investigations into this or that Bush criminal activity.

    What do you intend to do to solidify Democratic support for Howard Dean's attempt to revivify the party on both a national and a local level?

    What do you intend to do to ensure that convicted Republicans like Cunningham and DeLay are hung around the Republicans' necks like large, dead, stinking albatrosses come November?

    There's plenty more, but this is a good start.

    You keep saying that the gloves are off.  I can't think of a better time than right now to rip those gloves off and start beating the hell out of these Republican bastards with our bare hands.  When will you start?  We can't wait to have you and your fellow House Democrat leaders -- not individual reps, but a solid, irresistable mass -- join us in the ring.

    It's time for ALL of US to "bring it on."

  •  Thank you for coming back Ms. Pelosi (12+ / 0-)

    You have shown that you can talk the talk, I look forward to seeing you walk the walk.

  •  Congresswoman, many Democrats are very deflated (15+ / 0-)

    that the party has not officially endorsed Murtha's plan for a pull out from Iraq or Feingold's call for censure.  

    We shouldn't just endorse the idea, we should make each of these brave, thoughtful individuals the point persons and spokespersons for the party.  When a Democrat is asked whether Feingold or Murtha speaks for him/her, the answer ought to be 'yes!'.  Nuanced viewpoints can be stated in responses to follow-up questions.  

    Every individual has his/her own ideas, but as a party we need to arrive at a collective decision,  knowing fully well that every party member will not be satisfied with every point. The key to winning is to stand for something, set a general direction, and provide clarity for the American people.  

    If the Party had a special conference in which all members were given the opportunity to debate and were then required to give an 'up or down' vote, no exceptions, on the Murtha and Feingold proposals, then we would begin to captivate the imagination of the American people once again.  I would also recommend that this conference take place this summer in full view of the Media.  Let's show the country who we are and what we care about regarding the major issues of the day.  

  •  Very Classy (18+ / 0-)

    Thanks for coming back.  Remember that every person here really wants to support you.  We're in your corner, now get out there and start landing those bare knuckle punches.

    A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.

    by Webster on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:59:16 PM PDT

  •  I hope this is a new beginning, indeed. (6+ / 0-)

    Of a long and fruitful dialog for our party and our country.

    Thank you for your courteous reply, when so many of us were frustrated past courtesy in your initial posting.

    Before you win, you have to fight.

    by boadicea on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 01:59:56 PM PDT

  •  Thank you (14+ / 0-)

    This is a conversation, and a strong indication that you're listening. Some participation in the comments would do wonders too.

    While you have your ear to the ground here, perhaps you'll be inspired to let your collective hair down in the House, and think beyond the contraints of protocol. Some creativity wouldn't go amiss when it comes to bursting bubbles. Take a cue from your feisty band in the 30 Something Working Group, and push the envelope without fear of what the other side or the media say - they'll say it anyway.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:00:47 PM PDT

  •  I respect... (10+ / 0-)

    the fact that you came back today. I really hope that you read the comments from the previous thread to truly understand the frustrations and passion of this community. We are the base. We are the ones donating what money we can and busting our asses off trying to elect democrats. We don't demand ideological purity, but we sure as hell demand that our Democratic reps stand up for Democratic principles.

    We also can realize the dream of a world without war, but only by stubborn persistence, only by a refusal to surrender that dream -Howard Zinn

    by Jawis on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:01:33 PM PDT

  •  Leader Pelosi, Thank you for visiting again. (11+ / 0-)

    I encourage you to respond to at least a few of the substantive comments posted here.  To the extent that you can answer, my question for you is:  What will the House Democrats do to ensure that the "facts about the surveillance program" will be fully investigated?

  •  Don your asbestos loungewear, and stick around! (20+ / 0-)

    Free Donuts + Beer Tax Repeal = Landslide Victory '08!

    by PhillyGal on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:04:17 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for coming back, Rep. Pelosi (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Unduna, kraant, Southern Son

    I appreciate your efforts to stay in touch with progressives.

    As for suggestions: one hears over and over that the Democrats don't stand for anything, that they lack a coherent platform, etc. etc.

    If that were so, why do polls consistently show that a majority of Americans support Democratic control of Congress?  Why are key elements of the Democratic agenda--improved education and healthcare, better stewardship of the environment, and so on--well known to and supported by most Americans?

    And finally and most importantly, how has this 'weak' minority party succeeded in holding back many of the worst excesses of the Bush administration--the privatization of Social Security, the permanent tax cuts, etc.?

    Our party is strong, and is great.  My suggestion is: start saying so.

    Thank you for reading this.

  •  Please, post some comments. (4+ / 0-)

    Commenting really shows that you are actively engaged. I understand your schedule is hectic, but I would recommend it if at all possible.

    We also can realize the dream of a world without war, but only by stubborn persistence, only by a refusal to surrender that dream -Howard Zinn

    by Jawis on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:05:37 PM PDT

  •  note to Mr. or Ms. Staffer (53+ / 0-)

    Don't try that crap.  Try this:

    1)Have the speaker herself post, if she cares

    1. Have the speaker herself COMMENT on the diary.
    1. Tell us WHY you won't support censure of the president.
    1. Tell us WHY you won't file an ethics complaint against DeLay.
    1. Tell us WHY you won't shut down the House over this issue, if only for a day.
    1. Tell us WHY you won't do exactly what Georgia10 recommended on the frontpage.

    Yeah, we've got differences all right--and it's high time somebody explained to us in clear terms WHY we differ, and what the hell you think you're accomplishing.

  •  I don't want tax cuts (13+ / 0-)

    We did it on tax cuts

    Maybe I missed what that's referring to, but I haven't heard anything good about tax cuts. Aren't they all just loopholes and giveaways? At best these changes give a lot more money back to the top end and make the tax structure more regressive?

    I want tax fairness

    No loopholes. No giveaways. Everyone pays their fair share.

    No net tax cuts until you can cut spending like the military a lot while maintaining the worthwhile programs.

  •  Being a contrarian ... (25+ / 0-)

    I've recommended this diary, even though the current Kos fashion is not to recommend politicians'  diaries. :=D

    Just joking. kind of. Okay, so I'm not joking.

    I do think it's smart of you to post another diary despite all the hubbub which I missed because I was cutting down small trees in my hollow and decimating the poison ivy vines and wild grapevines (some ancient --- we're talking 5" in diameter) which are killing all the hickories and dogwoods down there --- not to mention, I made the mistake of pulling everything out of one of my closets (some 20-30 boxes) because I'm getting ready to go job hunting and  have lost my job hunting clothes but it looks like I stupidly gave my job hunting clothes away what the hell was I thinking damn my charitable instincts --- and transplanting 60 tomato and other plants and trying to tote up in my head how much $$$ I might be able to make off them not much but maybe it will cover my costs and then there's that pile of grading ...

    Did I mention I'm a teacher and am going bankrupt because they're not paying me enough?

    I think I forgot that. My mind is kind of muddled from financial worries thanks to the price of everything shooting sky high and all this damned grading and then all the work that needs to be done around here and I have to squeeze every penny just to buy the gas to get where I need to go. I've already determined I won't turn the air conditioning on til we hit 95+  because if I do, I won't have the money to pay my bills.

    You see,  the thing is, we non-politician people are having a hard time keeping up. Not only is the country falling apart, not only are Bush and his political and corporate compadres looting us and the Constitution, but it's getting harder and harder for those of us making less than a few hundred grand a year to get by, especially if we were stupid enough to think this country valued higher education --- both the getting and the giving of it. Because it doesn't.

    So here I am unable to keep up with the hubbub because I'm worrying and overworked because the corporations and the government are stripping me bare, and I have family members I am sorely worried about in part because one or two have serious health problems in a country which figures if you don't have a few million, you don't really deserve healthcare, did I mention my sister who is diabetic is too scared to go to the doctor because she knows her insurance will dump her, and of course several people in my family have married Mexican Americans and now BushCo is rousing the troops with his Call To Murkans! and whatnot and a friend of mine's  brother is getting sent to Iraq and they've sworn to him Bagdhad is safer than NYC and my friend believes it and I just don't have the heart to tell her.

    So I apologize for missing the ruckus yesterday but I've been kind of busy.

    Now what is it our politicians are supposedly doing for us again?

    •  Yup (0+ / 0-)

      it's getting harder and harder for those of us making less than a few hundred grand a year to get by

      That is the plan. Democrats helped pass NAFTA and CAFTA plus given tax breaks to companies that send jobs overseas. Some companies, like Dell, pay $0 in taxes and in some cases, the IRS owes them money, our money. In short, neoliberals are as bad as neoconservatives. Vote both out for real liberals.

  •  It's a start, I suppose (14+ / 0-)

    At least it's an attempt at some dialogue.  Can't fault her for that.

    This was what I was talking about...but I'm waiting to see a little more.

    But, good start, Leader Pelosi.

    Just don't let this be the end of it.

    If I can't dance, it's not my revolution.

    by wmtriallawyer on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:08:31 PM PDT

    •  Yep, a start at least (14+ / 0-)

      Gees, the way people went after her on the first one, I'm surprised she's back.

      My two cents:

      1. Spirited debate is good, and kudos to those who pushed back firmly but politely, and tried to engage Speaker (to be) Pelosi;
      1. To the others who simply threw out gratuitous, infantile slams... listen jackasses, Nancy Pelosi is NOT the enemy.  And at least she is TRYING to engage by coming here in the first place.  Enough with the circular friggin firing squad.

      Welcome to DK, Speaker Pelosi.  Keep coming back, make it a real exchange, and you'll find that the spirited debaters will far outweigh the jackasses.

      •  what debate are you referring to? (8+ / 0-)

        All I see is is a press release from Nancy Pelosi, and no responses to anyone's comments by the Congresswomen... on yesterday's discussion, someone pointed out that she never posts in her own diary threads.

        If she isn't here for dialogue, she shouldn't be posting here at all. We can get her press releases at her Congressional website.

        If she ever becomes interested in finding out what we think instead of lecturing us on what Democrats should be thinking and doing, I'll be happy to welcome her. What she's doing is trying to use us for her own political games, and I'm not playing.

        In the meantime, stop kissing Nancy Pelosi's ass. It's embarrassing.Especially when we know you're kissing it and she doesn't really care.

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:46:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Alizard, how about kissing MY ass? (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          vcmvo2, joanneleon

          It's called being polite, rather than a jackass.  She's here at least, and that's a start.  

          •  she's here (0+ / 0-)

            releasing her press releases.  great.  i hope the other 200+ house members do the same.  then afterwords they can all beg for money.

            You can lead an elephant to water but you can't make 'em think.

            by bill in wa on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:34:13 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  you have a point... (0+ / 0-)

              that way, worthwhile diaries by actual community members would never see the light of day.

              I can't think of a faster way to kill off dKos.

              Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

              by alizard on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:06:06 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  So keep pushing back (0+ / 0-)

              She deserves credit for being here at least, which puts her ahead of most of the members.  But there's nothing wrong whatsoever with pushing back, telling her to make it more interactive, etc.

              My gripe was with the people who used the post as a pretext to jump all over her in an obnoxious way, and then slam her for not being 100% up to speed on day one.  As if she's not really participating because she doesn't immediately reply instantly to comments, troll rate a "first" comment, argue with Armando, and make a nostalgic joke about the old beach volleyball blog ads.  

              Gees, Louise, push her, but give her a chance.  

          •  you aren't an elected public official... (0+ / 0-)

            posting one-way propaganda messages on dkos, so what's your excuse for expecting to have your ass kissed?

            Personally, I think ass kissing should be reserved for ... intimate occasions, based on personal interaction, not political.

            Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

            by alizard on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:04:22 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Enough is Enough. It's Time For a Change. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    NYC Sophia, kraant

    Kick the bums out and set the country back on track!

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:08:59 PM PDT

  •  Glad to see you're back...and I look forward (6+ / 0-)

    to reading your future posts here:)

    I really like Georgia10's'd be great if that could be reality. I hope we can all push for that:)

    Keep up the good work...but I don't think it would hurt sometimes to fight harder...

  •  It is difficult for us (12+ / 0-)

    To sit back quietly when the Democrats go about their "business as usual" while the Bush Administration rapes and pillages our country (and as many others as they can sink their fingers into).

    Bush has admitted to impeachable offenses (NSA - warrantless wiretaps), and has tried to worm around the impeachable offense of lying to Congress. His "signing statements" are nothing more than the actions of a dictator rather than those of the POTUS and has made a mockery of the checks and balances written in the Constitution.

    Every Democrat needs to get behind the Censure Resolution and do everything in their power to derail the Republican massacre of our constitution and government until November when the Democrats regain the majority.

    I appreciate everything you are doing to stop the Republicans. But realize how difficult it becomes for us when every day another one of our basic rights is taken from us with little more than a brief mention of its passing. We have no choice but to depend on you and the others in Congress to protect us, until we can get to the election booths and use our votes to protect ourselves.

    "The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Seymour, 1807.

    by PatsBard on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:11:30 PM PDT

    •  this, of course makes the assumption that... (4+ / 0-)

      ... your votes will actually be COUNTED and not THROWN OUT.

      I will add my voice to the chorus at this spot Congresswoman:

      You have shown bravery I knew you had by returning here to post a follow-up. It is a start, and I commend you for that.

      However, one if the most important issues facing our democracy is that of having a national verifiable voting system. The Dems should at least be united about that much. EVERYONE deserves to have their vote count, and their vote counted. With CONFIRMATION that is was counted.

      AND, there should be a paper trail to RECOUNT those paper ballots if need be. To even HAND COUNT them.

      One of the things that scares me more than the disorganized, disillusioned, and dismayed Democrats right now is the simple fact that even if we DO win the votes to be elected, it won't matter.

      HAMMER this one please. It is the cornerstone, nay, the very FOUNDATION of our democracy. Open, honest elections.

      Thank you,

      • SS
    •  Amen, PatsBard (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Cthulhu, gmb, Son of Broccoli

      Not only did Dumbya admit (when he got caught) he was spying on Americans without FISA warrants , but he bragged about how he intended to continue-- while at the same time, lied that he WAS getting warrants when conducting wiretaps of American citizens.  Today, when asked would he apologize for what he did?  Dumbya responded:  "Absolutely Not!"

      This dude is beyond out-of-control.  Censure is too easy.  Impeach and convict.

      ...and they passed in thought out to regions where pain and delight flow together and tears are the very wine of blessedness.

      by rlharry on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:16:02 PM PDT

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  •  You CAN talk about the NSA spying. (13+ / 0-)

    See GRAVEL v. UNITED STATES, 408 U.S. 606 (1972)

    You, and the other Reps. and Senators who were briefed,  have been claiming they couldn't talk about the spying , even to their colleagues, because it's "against the law." This is belied by the Supreme Court's ruling in US v Gravel, stemming from the Pentagon Papers.

    Alaska Senator Mike Gravel read exerpts into the Congressional record, then arranged publication in book form. The Court held that Article 1 Section 5's immunity is absolute.

    ...and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.

    In a parallel case, Gravel v United States, they ruled that while the immunity transfers to staff, Gravel's aide was not priveledged from testifying before the Grand Jury about his receipt of the documents, or the private publishing arrangements, but could not be forced to testify about his discussions with the Senator.

    The Speech or Debate Clause was designed to assure a co-equal branch of the government wide freedom of speech, debate, and deliberation without intimidation or threats from the Executive Branch. It thus protects Members against prosecutions that directly impinge upon or threaten the legislative process. We have no doubt that Senator Gravel may not be made to answer - either in terms of questions or in terms of defending himself from prosecution - for the events that occurred at the subcommittee meeting. Our decision is made easier by the fact that the United States appears to have abandoned whatever position it took to the contrary in the lower courts.

    Without Criminal Sanction, the only discipline you'd possibly face would be that meted out by your colleagues. This could be censure, removal from Committee, or theoretically expulsion, but this last would require a 2/3 vote per the Constitution.

    A Senator YOU can afford
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    Madison, WI 53703

    by ben masel on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:14:03 PM PDT

  •  Not good enough (35+ / 0-)

    First, I thank you for listening.  It is good that you reaffirmed that you indeed did hear our complaints.  However...

    Senator Feingold's complaints served to highlight some critical issues about the program and the lack of accountability in the Bush Administration. This is a serious matter and all of the facts about the surveillance program must be fully investigated before we start talking about punitive action.

    This is simply not good enough.  Rep. Pelosi, you know as well as I do that this investigation will never take place given our current congress.  Therefore, you have effectively agreed to shelve an unbelievably important issue.

    Please don't insult our intelligence.  The folks around here are well aware that this issue scares the beejesus out of you for political concerns.  We disagree on this.  We think this is a winning issue for the Dems.

    But even if it were not a winning issue politically, it is still MONUMENTALLY important that Democrats not shirk their constitutional duty to stand up for the constitution.

    Putting the NSA wiretapping abomination on the back burner until after the November elections is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

    If you persist in this course you can be assured that the folks around here will not forget.  We will remember, Rep. Pelosi, that you gave in to this criminal administration on one of the most crucial constitutional crisis ever to befall this country.  That will be a part of your legacy for the history books.

    Either change your mind or do not expect to placate this community with tough sounding slogans in the future.

    "... the Republicans have fucked reality so hard they need a physics professor to straighten them out." -- hamletta

    by manyoso on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:16:12 PM PDT

    •  I agree with the above comment. (9+ / 0-)

      This congress will not investigate.  You have already proven that  in your eleven attempts to open another investigaton.  

      You do not need to investigate anyway.  You know Bush broke the law.  You know Bush is still breaking the law, and he sounds like he's proud of it.

      Censure him for breaking the law.  Unless maybe you think it's okay, it doesn't really matter if he breaks the law.  

      But if you think it's okay for him to break the law, that it doesn't hurt the country, say so.  Don't pretend to be waiting for an investigation you know won't happen.

    •  Also (0+ / 0-)

      Wanted to offer support of this comment.

      I appreciate that Minority Leader Pelosi has come back and engaged in some sort of dialogue (though I would appreciate more if she offered more meat about our differences). But the least convincing part to me is comment on censure. I agree in principle that punitive measures should require some degree of proof - but we have a confession! I hope Ms. Pelosi would explain why that is insufficient.

    •  thank you (0+ / 0-)

      for that intelligent, respectful, utterly uncompromising comment!

  •  OK, that's fair... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    NYC Sophia, faithfull

    That definitely does not sound like it was written by an intern.

    Also, I was unaware that the House has different parliamentary rules.

    Thanks for sticking with us.

    •  ummm.... yeah. (0+ / 0-)

      "House" does not equal "Senate"

      House - 2 year terms
      Senate - 6 year terms

      House - No Filibuster
      Senate - Filibuster

      House - Can pass articles of impeachment
      Senate - Can pass judgment on said articles

      House - Can pass budget bills (power of the purse)
      Senate - Can approve treaties

      House - has a "Speaker"
      Senate - has a "President" (who is also the Vice President, ie Cheney)

      House - always democratically elected
      Senate - was once appointed by state legislatures, which was changed in the early 1900s by the last progressive movement

      So, of course they have different rules.

  •  If you "support Murtha 100%" (21+ / 0-)
    why did you headline a fundraiser for Tammy Duckworth, who does NOT support Murtha and in fact parrots Bush's "we'll stand down when the Iraqis stand up" language when her grassroots-supported opponent, Christine Cegelis DOES support Murtha's plan 100% as you claim to?

    Broader question: why do you go along with Rahm Emanuel, who is strongly counseling candidates NOT to speak up on Iraq or call for imminent withdrawl and who is recruiting candidates who will say they DON'T support Murtha's plan.

    "This party's strength does not come from the consultants down, it comes from the grassroots up." --Howard Dean

    by Jim in Chicago on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:17:19 PM PDT

  •  Stand Up. (19+ / 0-)

    Walk out of the House.  Play the media right.  Do something dramatic.  Shut down the House and refuse to work with corrupt people.  Stand up.  Be a leader.  Really, take the damn gloves off.  I mean, do you get it?  These people are ruining our country.  You cant negotiate with them anymore, you have to fight them and  fight them full on.

    •  I think we all agree with Stand Up (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Serephin, bablhous

      We want to see more passion, more passion about the basics of Democracy. I suppose a lot of politics is boring procedural stuff, but some of whats' going on now is compelling, even if its just an argument over a signing statement. When I see those middle school kids out demonstrating I get chills. This is the way it's supposed to work.
      I was watching CSPAN last night and it was that time of day when someone stands by the chair, and reads off a list of business that the Senate wants done, and they ask for unanimous consent, and the chair hits the gavel and says done each time, and I listened to each thing, and most of them sound like it wouldn't make any difference to the country if they did these things or not, and in my mind I was arguing with each and every one of those things, and thinking to myself, when you have a rubber stamp congress, then why not argue with everything, because who cares about another official holiday, or whether some museum is designated the official birthplace of duct tape. Give em a big fat no on a few, (maybe most) of these things, and show them something.

      " the future everything is chrome. Sponge Bob Square Pants

      by agent double o soul on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:41:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Well, Thats good but... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    poemless, bablhous, mediaprisoner

    I just don't get it. What am I missing? The republicans walk all over you as far as I can tell and have made a complete mockery of our government. What good does putting them on record do? They're laughing all the way to the bank!

    I'm sorry but I think this is a joke. A sick joke. I don't understand why you even bother. Seriously. What are we paying you for? I think congress should just go home and save us the money.

    Doesn't seem to me that you're even remotely interested in saving our country. You're just too afraid. Afraid you won't get re-elected. I don't know. I just don't get it.

    Personally, I hope we win back congress. But I'm going to put my money and effort into electing real democrats and real americans who are interested in protecting our country from these fascists and lunatics that want to destroy it.

    I won't stop working until all of you, who made no real actions to help defend this country, no longer hold office.

    •  Losing battles doesn't mean fall on your sword (0+ / 0-)

      Being a member of Congress is a whole lot more than reading the latest bills and hanging in the chamber.  They're the district's rep to all the parts of the federal government.  Think about that.  

      It's evil and true the GOP has locked the Dems out of meaningful participation, but if you believe in the Constitution, and that the day will come for things to change, you adopt strategy to stay with the center.  A leader might privately encourage others to stand up and shout, but appear less confrontational themselves.  Its a tough prospect to cover and wait until reinforcements arrive in the face of a Tom DeLay machine.  What I'd like to see is how the GOP has their own people by the balls.

      If you're a baseball player and show up at a game where the competition owns the umpires, only lets in their fans, and changes the rules when they wish, do you leave or play ball?  If you leave, they win and destroy the game for everyone.  If you stay, you'll have a chance to get even another time, resurrect the rules people love, and run the cheaters out of the league.  

      •  i think in your baseball analogy (1+ / 0-)
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        you leave and, by doing so, expose the mockery that the game's begun.  you don't win by being republican-lite and being subservient to the smaller fortune 500 companies...

        you can rearrange my face but you can't rearrange my mind -8.63,-7.28

        by mediaprisoner on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:51:37 PM PDT

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      •  What's the point? (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        snakelass, bablhous

        There's no point to stay and play. That's one of the weirdest things I've read in a while. Why would anyone want to play? They have already destroyed the game. It has nothing to do with the one team leaving. The game is rigged. It's no longer a game.

        If you stay and play, you become an enabler. Just like helping an alcoholic or a drug addict. You help them to continue using you. The dems staying in congress does nothing but enable the republicans. It enables them to continue the sham and lends credence to it.

        They should all leave now.

  •  Of The 715... (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Danny Boy, bablhous, mediaprisoner, Unduna

    ...people who commented on your previous diary, one in five people recomended this post. I hope you took that into your

    Goper's Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)

    Love Songs From Ground Zero

    by Subway Serenade on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:20:44 PM PDT

  •  ONLY 'deeply concerned'?? (4+ / 0-)

    We don't want you to be 'concerned', we want you to STOP THEM!

  •  Your reasoning is flawed (17+ / 0-)

    Thanks for responding to the outrage your previous post unearthed, and I hope you do take those sentiments seriously.  My main point, though ... :

    you said:

    This is a serious matter and all of the facts about the surveillance program must be fully investigated before we start talking about punitive action.

    (1) What needs to be investigated when the president admitted authorizing a program that is clearly illegal?  (and if you don't think the NSA program is clearly illegal, I beg you to tell us why!)

    (2) How's that investigation going ... and how far do you think it will get?  (and please don't tell me you think it would be acceptable to wait until Dems control Congress to move an investigation forward!)

    (3) What does Censure have to do with punitive action??

    and finally,

    (4) Why couldn't you have said of Feingold's resolution: "I'm not sure I agree with him," instead of implying that you thought it premature or reckless?  My hunch (correct me if I'm wrong) is that you wanted to distance yourself from a move that you feared would have (unwarranted) negative political blowback.

    I'll be blunt:
    That type of maneuvering (adopting what you hope to be a popular position regardless of right or wrong) is nothing but pure political cowardice.

    I'll tell you what you need to do for me to vote for you:
    Admit you were wrong about Feingold's resolution, support it publically, and support Conyers' resolution in the House.

    A Dem almost out of patience

    •  this is so true (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      bablhous, Roadbed Guy

      the president said he felt the FISA law was outdated, and, therefore, he is ignoring it. Surely you don't need more than that. He might as well say that the 4th ammendment is out of date.

      Not to change the topic, but then there's what some of the other hilltoppers think of the 14th amemndment. I've heard some of them say, in not so many words, that it has outgrown its usefulness.

      Whose going to call these people on how they, specifically, don't support the constitution?

  •  thank you Nancy! (0+ / 0-)

    Well done.

    No American left behind - in civil rights, in health care, in the economy.

    by JLFinch on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:27:23 PM PDT

  •  Electronic Town Hall (3+ / 0-)

    If you actually report to us here every week, I will be very happy.  I see this medium being like an electronic town hall; our representatives should ALL be here telling us what they are doing on our behalf.  Added bonus, we can all talk at once!

  •  Hey, you came back! Open ears, (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Danny Boy, gmb, 3goldens, Overseas

    no's a good thing it's already April.  

    Now, about shutting down congress and not taking any more crap from the Republicans...We don't mind if you don't win every fight...we just want to see you fighting them.  Eventually, some of those repubs will come around...they're only people.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right

    by darthstar on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:28:44 PM PDT

  •  I bet Pelosi's staffers are embarrassed (5+ / 0-)

    that they didn't hit the delete button quicker once they realized they sent the wrong form to the wrong place.  But, P Staffers, congratulate yourselves for having everyone here make your formulaic post so popular by pandering to your diaries.

    C'mon now, all ya'll.  Don't be bootlickers.  Don't recommend these things and don't fawn all over the place.

    If elected officials can't be involved to participate in the conversation, let's not be used as sychophants to help amplify the message.

    Great P.R. trick, Pelosi.  Not real enough for here, though.  You can do better and so can the Kos army.

    All the king's horses and all the king's men...package and sell it to win it again...

    by MP Three on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:28:54 PM PDT

  •  Leader Pelosi... (5+ / 0-)
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    you are indeed a "know-it-all woman." :)

    Thanks for coming back.

    Brown...the new black.

    by Caldonia on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:29:56 PM PDT

  •  What I'd like to see. (8+ / 0-)

    Rep. Pelosi fared poorly in Markos' latest round of leadership polls. In fact, she was the only one to get a negative overall rating (with over 14,000 votes cast, only 19% of those voting approved of the job Rep. Pelosi is doing as House Democratic Leader, while 67% disapproved).

    The latest go-round is a pretty good reflection of the feelings expressed by Kossacks in that poll.

    I'd like to see Rep. Pelosi directly address the results of that poll, and ask us (if she doesn't already understand) why we disapprove of the job she's doing. And then I'd like to see some real discussion of why she's going to keep doing some things the same way, and why she's going to make some changes based on the views of the netroots.

    Just showing up here and talking at us isn't going to do much to change those poll numbers (and the reasons behind them). Facing up to the disapproval and opening a real dialogue is what will help.

    Don't say that the NYT and Time Magazine like what you're doing and think that will sway our views. Talk policy with us - talk to us as equals.

    Do that and you might win some converts.

    Is citizen journalism worth a tall latte? Consider donating $3 a month to ePluribus Media.

    by wanderindiana on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:31:07 PM PDT

  •  'immigration' (4+ / 0-)
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    I'm sorry but I am completely alienated by the Democratic party and their absolute lack of support for the middle class and poor in this "immigration reform".

    If they were, they would be blasting these major labor arbitrage Visas, specifically the H-1B and  try to tie this claim of a "labor shortage" to wages...say wages spike up > 30% in 6 months, that would indicate a true shortage and thus one could issue some guest worker Visas.  They also are not blasting employers, making it a felony for employers to use illegal labor,  or the very broken USCIS and DOL for not enforcing the law or the EEOA enforcements being significantly weakened and underfunded.  We hear nothing on major document fraud or how in fact they are going to secure the border and actually succeed in stopping anything.

    It's possible to craft a "comprehensive" policy that secures the border and deals fairly yet doesn't shaft the workers and middle class.

    It's so horrific, in the Senate Judiciary Committee a comment was made if "anyone knew what effect this would have on the middle class and wages" and Specter's response was "oh no, we're too busy typing up the bill".  What kind of response is that when we watch Senators who cannot even add up the real tally on the number of H-1B Visas they are trying to put into law and writing up potential law with massive labor arbitrage vehicles through the "guest worker" program, when they have no clue on how it would affect the US middle class, poor and the overall labor market, nor putting forth any alternatives that are just AND support the American worker.

    by BobOak on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:31:20 PM PDT

    •  Democrats -- afraid all the time (2+ / 0-)
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      This should be a no-brainer for the Dems -- support the middle and lower middle class which depends on a fair wage structure. Letting illegals undercut that wage structure doesn't help the Democrats' constituency.

      But again, this is a usual disappointment.

  •  I Used To Vote Republican (9+ / 0-)

    until about 1990 when it was clear the religious right had taken over.  The Democratic Party was never as atrocious as some of my fellow GOPers at that time felt but I still spproached with caution.  I didn't vote for Clinton the first time but soon came to like the guy after I read a story of his attending late night congressional sessions and taking notes so that he better understood the processes and how the system worked.  See, I like intelligence in the political process.  I also like fight.  Of course, politics wouldn't be politics without the...well...politics but please do a better job yourself, and convincing other Dems, of delivering a message not intended for 6 y.o. minds.

    Delivering a message with simplicity is not the same as having a simplistic message.  We need more of the former and less of the latter.  Find a good punch line that draws people in to ask more and find out more.

    And, for god's sake, fight back!!  I want more spine.  I'm on the edge as far as party affiliation goes, not that there is any love left at all for the GOP, but I would rather be an independent liberal than be part of a movement with many of the right ideas but no punch.  I have no trouble telling winger friends that what they have just said is a lie or is stupid.  Let's see some of that.

    Coming from a little guy who always knew how to hold his own in a scrap, intellectual or physical, I can state with authority that bullies always blink when they're caught right between the eyes.  The GOP has had its way with U.S. for too long and it is because the picked-on are not hitting back preferring to try to reason their way out of something.  There is no reasoning with a bully because their insecurity is their driving force and any sign of weakness is a sign for them to attack.  They are always looking for someone weaker to pick on.

    You line them up and start knocking them, they will finally back down.

    Please...before I leave the party, the state of California, the US...give me a reason to believe that this country will be a good place to raise my kid.  I'm not looking for protection from every potential ill; I want him to grow up in freedom, with a good education, with job prospects...not locked in front of a TV because we're afraid he might say something in school against the ruling party that will bring the FBI knocking on our door because people have chosen fear over freedom.

    You are the ones to save us and you can start by kicking the crap out of THEM and their illogical, dishonest, a/o wrong-headed ways.

  •  And Yet the Question Remains... (53+ / 1-)

    Congresswoman Pelosi, thank you very much for your willingness to come back and address people's concerns regarding your diary yesterday. But I would like to see you further explain this statement you made:

    I am deeply concerned by the President's justification for his domestic wire tapping program and the Administration's unwillingness to provide details of the program to members of the intelligence committee.  Senator Feingold's complaints served to highlight some critical issues about the program and the lack of accountability in the Bush Administration. This is a serious matter and all of the facts about the surveillance program must be fully investigated before we start talking about punitive action.

    I'm going to quote Glenn Greenwald here at length because I think there is a  fundamental cognative block with regard to this issue and nobody has articulated it better than Glenn:

    In order to generate further support for the Feingold Censure Resolution, numerous bloggers are encouraging everyone to pay an actual physical visit to their Senators' local offices in order to urge support for censure. Anyone doing so is likely to encounter the two primary myths/excuses which have been concocted by Senators and others in order to justify their refusal to support the Resolution. They are both plainly false:

    MYTH/EXCUSE NUMBER ONE: An investigation is needed before it can be known whether the President broke the law.

    This has become the favored weapon of evasion for most Democratic Senators. Most who have refused to take a position on the Feingold Resolution have used the excuse that there has to be a full investigation before they can know if censure is appropriate. We have heard this excuse from, among many others, Senators Salazar, Stabenow, Bingaman, Levin and Dodd. That is just a small sampling of the list of Democrats who have claimed not to be able to take a position on the Feingold Resolution until an "investigation" is conducted.

    Bush supporters have also been peddling this same myth. In his angry and rather uncontrolled rant this weekend on Chris Wallace's show, Brit Hume proclaimed that it was somehow outrageous for Senators such as Feingold and Tom Harkin to attack the illegality of Bush's warrantless eavesdropping when they "have not even been briefed on the program" -- as though we do not yet know enough about the program in order to determine whether it is illegal.

    This excuse for not taking a position on censure is not only false, but also outright illogical on its face. There are two distinct and independent issues raised by the NSA scandal:

    ISSUE 1: Did the President break the law when he ordered warrantless eavesdropping on Americans?

    ISSUE 2: What was the scope and extent of the President's secret eavesdropping? Did the warrantless eavesdropping include only international calls, as he claims, or purely domestic calls as well? Were only suspected Al Qaeda members eavesdropped, on as he claims, or did the eavesdropping extend beyond that? How was it determined who would be eavesdropped on? And what was done with the information?

    These issues are separate and distinct. Issue 1 is what Feingold's Censure Resolution concerns. It is the "Illegality Question," i.e., whether the President broke the law when ordering warrantless eavesdropping on Americans. Issue 2 is the "Abuse Question," i.e., whether the President abused the eavesdropping powers he secretly exercised in violation of the law by, for instance, eavesdropping on Americans who have nothing to do with Al Qaeda or eavesdropping beyond the scope what he has claimed.

    It is unquestionably true that an investigation is needed - urgently needed - in order to learn the answers to the questions relating to Issue 2. We do not know the scope and extent of the President's warrantless eavesdropping precisely because he eavesdropped in secret in violation of the law, rather than with judicial oversight. That is why it is so inexcusable that all of the Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee voted against Sen. Rockefeller's motion to conduct an investigation to find out the answers to these questions.

    But in stark contrast to Issue 2, all the facts necessary to know the answer to Issue 1 are already disclosed, are publicly available, and have been admitted by the Administration. Therefore, while an investigation into Issue 2 is imperative, all of the facts relevant to the question of whether the President broke the law (the only issue raised by the Feingold Resolution) are already known, and for that reason it is illogical to claim that an investigation is needed before that question can be answered. Put simply, we don't know the scope and extent of the President's illegal eavesdropping, but we do know that the eavesdropping he ordered was illegal.

    Under FISA, it is a criminal offense to eavesdrop on Americans without the oversight and approval of the FISA court. Section 1809 of FISA expressly provides that "[a] person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally - (1) engages in electronic surveillance under color of law except as authorized by statute. . . ." And Section 2511(2)(f) provides that FISA "shall be the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance . . . may be conducted." Thus, a person has broken the law if -- as the President admits he did -- he orders eavesdropping on Americans without complying with the warrant requirements of the statute. Period.

    The Administration admits that it did just that -- that the President ordered exactly the warrantless eavesdropping which FISA makes it a criminal offense to engage in. The Administration does not deny this fact. They admit that the eavesdropping they engaged in is exactly the eavesdropping for which FISA requires judicial approval, but defend themselves only by claiming that they had the legal right to engage in this eavesdropping without complying with the law. Here is Alberto Gonzales making this precise admission at his December 19, 2005 press briefing with Gen. Hayden:

    Now, in terms of legal authorities, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act provides -- requires a court order before engaging in this kind of surveillance that I've just discussed and the President announced on Saturday, unless there is somehow -- there is -- unless otherwise authorized by statute or by Congress. That's what the law requires.

    That is Gonzales admitting that the warrantless eavesdropping they engaged in is the type for which FISA requires judicial approval. By definition, there is no investigation needed to determine whether the Administration engaged in warrantless eavesdropping prohibited by FISA because that fact is not in dispute.

    In defending itself, the Administration is offering only legal arguments -- not factual disputes -- as to why it had the right to eavesdrop without complying with the law (namely, that the President has inherent authority to eavesdrop even if the law prohibits it, and that Congress gave him implicit permission to eavesdropping outside of FISA when it enacted the AUMF). But the Administration is not denying -- and has never denied -- the fact that it engaged in the very warrantless eavesdropping covered by FISA.

    Thus, no investigation could even conceivably shed further light on the question of whether the President broke the law. We know he did that. The sole question which Senators have to answer is what they think the consequences ought to be, if any, for a President to order eavesdropping on Americans citizens which Americans, through their Congress, prohibited by law.

    An investigation cannot answer the question as to whether U.S. Senators ought to take a stand against deliberate and ongoing lawbreaking by a President. Only U.S. Senators can answer that question, and they already have all the facts that are relevant to that question already before them. Claiming that they need further "investigation" before taking a position is nothing short of an abdication of their responsibilities, an obvious tactic for avoiding the question of whether they oppose lawbreaking by the President.


    When the Senate Judiciary Committee met last week  most of the Democrats on the committee did not even show up.  Where and when is this  "investigation"  you claim we need going to take place, especially if no one is willing to participate in it?

    Jane Hamsher
    •  This is a great comment. (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Jane, you rock! (1+ / 0-)
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      I am so there with you!!.  Just got a call from the Sen. Cantwell campaign and told them I had written and visited her office last week and no response til now when they want my money.  Told them until she supports Feingold's censure resolution, she's getting no money from me.

      Money talks loudest.

      Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

      by moe99 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 06:15:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Minor nitpick (1+ / 0-)
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      Rita in DC

      last time I checked, Pelosi was not in the Senate, and does not have a lot of pull over what Dem Senators say or do RE: Feingold censure effort, or the extended quote in your above comment.

      Reid's the go-to guy for that deal.

      But IF you are talking pushing for Conyers' HR 635 call for impeachment investigation hearings, that is another matter entirely. That is Leader Pelosi's bailiwick, and I would  be very surprised and deeply disapointed IF both you and Leader Pelosi were not pushing hard for its Democratic support in the House.

      •  Minor nitpick -- no, real important to understand (2+ / 0-)
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        Rita in DC, bablhous

        Pelosi does have immense influence by what she says and fails to say. In this case, she is explicit that she does not support Sen. Feingold, and does not support the censure resolution. She has made this clear in her public statements.

        Jane's, and Glenn's, point is: what's to investigate? We have a clear admission of guilt from Bush. And a sstatement he'll continue to violate the Constitution.

    •  Great comment (0+ / 0-)

      Jane, I think I love you.

  •  This approaches a theater of the absurd (28+ / 0-)

    Ms. Pelosi, its great that you occasionally do this drive-by blogging, but its pretty damn clear you haven't listened to a damn thing we've been saying.

    You say "I support John Murtha 100%" and then you suppoort candidates who attack him.  What happens at "80%" support -- do you hire thugs to go break his knees?  

    You say "We need to understand all the facts about the domestic wiretapping program."  OK:  What additional facts do you need?  The President admits he violated FISA, which is a felony.  How many hearings do you want?

    You don't even address your attacks on free speech and your attempts to regulate the internet -- which is, of course, what caused people to get so pissed at you a month ago.

    You won't call for censure or impeachment, you won't even say that you support censure if its proven that the President violated his oath of office.

    You haven't launched ethics charges against Tom Delay as part of a back-door agreement, even though he is now doing that against the Democrats you lead.

    And now, you have the fucking audacity to say that you are listening.  OK, Ms Pelosi, answer on the record the following three questions:

    1.  Why did you try to regulate free speech on the internet?
    1.  When and under what circumstances will you call for the censure of the president or his impeachment?
    1.  What legislation do you plan to introduce within the next year to highlight the differences between the Democrats and the Republicans?
    •  Talk about drive by (2+ / 0-)
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      I can understand if you have differences with her policy stances, but don't you think it would be better if you called her office?

      •  I have called her office (4+ / 0-)
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        Repeatedly.  And I've both given her money and called to say that I was not going to give her any more money when she took certain steps.

        Always, the same thing:  Am I a constituent?  No?  Thanks much, I'll make sure she gets the message.

        •  Good on you (0+ / 0-)

          I'm glad you've attempted support.  You might not be the best one for me to take out my ire on.  

          So continue with your evil leanings, Cthulhu.  

        •  Well I am a (1+ / 0-)
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          constitutent and I get the same thing!  Rather, the platitudes and we'll pass your message along.  Yeah right.  And the zillion letters I've sent her?  Not one response.  Email responses?  Boiler plate not even addressing the topic of my email.  So, yeah, why bother?

          We Need REGIME CHANGE

      •  Why bother? (3+ / 0-)
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        She said she's reading the posts, so what better place to raise these points AND inform the fawning sycophants that maybe a half page of 'let's all be friends' doesn't erase that which has pissed us all off so?

        Pelosi could be standing next to Russ Feingold as he says the words "censure Bush." She won't. She won't even raise the issue in this diary, despite over 100 posts in her last one making it their reason to be disappointed in her.

        Politician, begone. Woman of the people, let us know when you get here.

  •  Good Response, Rep. Pelosi (3+ / 0-)
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    I thank you for it. You took the heat and your maintained your cool. That's job ONE around here. Listening to the grassroots--and we are part of the grassroots in the Democratic Party, make no mistake---takes courage sometimes, and you've shown today that you've got that kind of courage. We hope you will remember to tell the Democratic Leadership Council that the Democrats (and independents) at Dailykos, the activist wing of the Democratic Party, CARE deeply about where our country is going, and we have the energy and dedication to do something about it. We hope the DLC will not stand in our way; but if they do, we will move them out of the way and go forward.

  •  This is a good place to start (9+ / 0-)

    We want representatives to be responsive, right?  So, we get a representative who responds directly to vicious criticism, not the constructive kind, but really over the top, spirited attacks on her, and this is how people choose to respond. They didn't go so far as to call her bitch, or any other names, but the tenor was so angry, I couldn't believe it.  

    It's like Kos is a bunch of people driving around in cars just waiting to cut someone off when they do anything at all to them.  

    I know people are angry about politics, and they are angry with Pelosi's inaction, but the representative came back and responded directly to these criticisms, and now she still gets mostly direct attacks on her character.  

    It's astonishing really. Some people seem to think they are some sort of privileged children who get to throw their food on the floor when they don't like it.  

    Pelosi did exactly what was requested of her.  She came back and attempted to make an overture to the people she had offended.  Apparently, she didn't say "sorry" the right way.  

    Let me make a quick point about the difficulty of navigating a blog like Kos.  Every once in a while, I'll send my brother a link to a story on Kos.  He's a smart guy.  He reports back to me that the site is difficult to read.  That makes me think it must be quite a maze to navigate if it's not something you spend a lot of time doing. The point is this- when people are comparing the number of comments vs. diaries, it's a stupid point.  It says nothing about what the people are thinking or saying.  

    •  I'm more bothered about her second response (9+ / 0-)

      because I see it as extremely tone-deaf.  I realize you and I disagree about this, but here's why I feel that way.

      Pelosi's first post was terrible -- a bunch of platitutes and rah-rah which offended a great number of people because it contained no substance.  

      But the second post is what I find so alarming. She says she supports John Murtha 100% -- but then why has she been supporting the people who attack John Murtha?  Supporting him 100% means something, right?  Her response is just a platitude.  Its empty.  It is devoid of meaning.

      Its great that she supports publicly-funded elections.  Me?  I support world peace.  But what has she done to try to actually create publicly funded elections?  I haven't seen her out there, calling for a national campaign for publicly-funded elections.  In fact, given the amount of mail I get from her, it seems she doesn't really want publicly funded elections.

      She then says she wants to highlight problems with the Republican rubber-stamp congress.  OK.  Great.  What bills has she introduced which actually force the Republicans to vote down things that highlight the differences between the Democrats and the Republicans?  How about introducing a bill that calls for increased veterans benefits?  A Wealth tax for body armor?  A tax on yachts for food programs?   The resolutions she introduces are great -- but it was the introduction of embarassing bills that actually gave the Republicans steam in 93.

      Then she says she's deeply concerned about the domestic wiretapping program but that we need to do a complete investigation.  I leave it to Fire Dog Lake to address this issue -- the point is, its a dodge.  

      And then....two paragraphs of feel-good about the importance of blogs and Crashing the Gate.  Strange, but she was one of the people who was trying to limit the power of blogs; she would be one of the "Insiders" that CTG talks about.  Again...more platitudes.

      So yeah, its not suprising that people here are even more pissed off by the second response.

    •  I took Pelosi (3+ / 0-)
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      to task yesterday for not supporting censure and impeachment.  So, I was extremely disappointed when the diary today didn't even address the issue of censure.  That tells me that they might have read the responses, but they simply IGNORED the one issue that many of us feel passionate about.  To not say one damn word about it in the diary today tells me that she's willing to shine us on, not to mention censure.  As her constitutent, I will continue to let her know how bitterly disappointed I am in her failure to address the one issue near and dear to my heart.  


  •  Dear Congresswomen, (4+ / 0-)
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    bugga booga, jkle, and pickles.

    Like you will ever read it anyway.

    •  What a great point! (1+ / 0-)
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      Congresswoman Pelosi - I know you have important work to do fighting republican corruption and crafting legislation while working with hundreds of Congressmen.

      But For God's Sake - can't you just put all that down and spend your day reading Dkos. That would surely be the responsible thing to do.

      I greatly admire your coming back - but realize that with some people you're just never going to win.


  •  Kudos for coming back, but (5+ / 0-)

    the Censure debate should have a fact-finding element that will be hard for Bush to evade.  Bush has regularly ignored congressional requests for information, so it might be hard to gather sufficient information without a punitive process.

    Live Free or Die-words to live by

    by ForFreedom on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:41:12 PM PDT

  •  Support Conyers and Feingold (11+ / 0-)

    PUBLICALLY and without reservations, and I'll think about supporting YOU.

    Until then, blahblahblahblah, same ol' noise.

    Bush is a CRIMINAL and has REPEATEDLY BROKEN THE LAW. Today's Libby's revelations proves it, it can no longer be successfully denied.  


    The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes. --Thomas Paine

    by Citizen J on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:42:22 PM PDT

  •  Congresswoman Pelosi, (13+ / 0-)

    Please stop asking the criminals in the GOP to stop being criminals and start talking about what the effects of their criminal behavior have been.

    For instance, I think one of your smart staffers could quantify how many kids have gone without school lunches as a result of Duke Cunningham's spending TAX PAYER'S MONEY on his military contractors' pet projects.

    It is the effects of the corruption that we can run this election on.  This message is the only one that will raise this message above the cynical meme that all politicians are corrupt.

    CNN has already created a piece by Jeff Greenfield that effectively says "every President leaks information".  Well that is true and we all know it, but has ever President leaked highly sensitive intelligence information that was so dammaging that the CIA REQUESTED that it be investigated?  Um NO is the answer to that question.

    Sorry but I don't think asking the Republicans in Congress to stop being corrupt is worth our time.  What we need to do now is ask the American people to consider what we could have if we were to send these criminals out of our great house of democracy and replace them with people of honor who care about consituents.  What we need to do is ask the American people to clean up the House and Senate by voting these criminals out of office.  Empower US with your words - NOT them.

    WE ARE entitled to our tax dollars.  Haliburton is not.  Do they even pay any taxes over at Haliburton?  Why does Haliburton get the clean up contracts for the Gulf Coast instead of the people who live there?  Those are the things I would ask and I suspect you could answer.  Tell people what they have been refused as a result of the Republicans' choices.  Tell people what in the budget got cut so that the big oil companies could have that $100 million dollars for God only knows what that was placed in the House Energy Bill. While all of their antics will end up affecting those who come after us, they do have a direct effect on us right NOW.  Talk about what one Duke Cunningham bribe not only bought, but also what it effectively took from America.

    Thank you for your consideration.

  •  I don't believe you (8+ / 0-)

    And I won't believe you until I see you on CNN doing something substantive to rein in the criminals abusing our great nation. One thing that will convince me is when all the Democrats in Washington publicly and vocally call to censure the president. Our nation wasn't founded by cowards. Of late, the Democratic Party has appeared to be bursting at the seams with cowards. Grow some spine, remember the patriots who founded this nation, and get our government under control!


    Your suggestions are always appreciated.

    Our "suggestions" are not suggestions. They are the voice of the people crying out for leadership WHERE NOTHING BUT EMPTY GESTURES EXISTS.

    There are a whole bunch of us that don't give a damn whether we win in 06 as long as we do what's right. The only way to do that is to act on our principles at the level of indignation that they require. People respect leadership that does not compromise when a compromise would go against your principles. You are compromising by even pretending our democratic system still exists right now, and you are going against our principles by doing so.  We democrats are being taxed without representation. It's time you took a lesson from the founders and threw a tea party - Walk out - PLEASE????!!!!!

  •  Dear Leader (3+ / 0-)

    does this mean you're going to support JC jr. and his resolutions of censure against Bush and Cheney, and an independent counsel to investigate impeachable offenses?

  •  Are You Prepared to Be President??!! (5+ / 0-)
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    By this time next year we could a Bush/Cheney impeached and a Dem majority in the house.

    This would make you president.

    Are you up to it?  

  •  An hour has passed w/o a nibble, (1+ / 0-)
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    time to try another fishin' hole.

  •  Okay (3+ / 0-)
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    So she didn't take up Georgia10's fantasy and noisily dramatize the indignation. But she replied and she has given recognition to the fact that she and the congressional Democrats are accountable. A good start. Action sometimes follows words.

  •  I must say I did not think you would diary again. (5+ / 0-)

    Your doing so tells me all might not be lost as far as your ability to represent us is concerned. You failure to use the comments is not so good. If, perhaps, you don't have the time you might consider having a senior staffer do it. Be sure to so indicate.

    We are, as you no doubt realise, looking for effective action. Check this DIARY
    by Georgia10 for some ideas you would be well advised to consider.

    Even given that you are sincere the Democratic Party's strategy against the fascist, theocrates who run the ReThugs has been a failure so I ask you: "What have you got to lose by attempting to use some new ideas?"

    "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."

    by Nestor Makhnow on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:48:47 PM PDT

    •  If Pelosi is serious (1+ / 0-)
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      about a dialogue with the community ...

      Congresswoman -- read Georgia10s diary ... READ IT yourself & not have some staff member summarize it.  

      I was in near tears contemplating it as I finished reading it ... Do you how much joy it would bring to my heart to have Democratic Party leaders acting with the type of public fortitude that Georgia10 outlined?

      And, after reading it ... and contemplating it ... come back into this community to react to it -- or, take action publically, and then come back to DKos (or have your staff come back) with a "Thank You" because Action X was sparked by diary/comment M ... That you and other Democratic Party leaders recognize that the 'blogosphere' (and, perhaps especially DailyKos -- my problem to the MyDD reference is that that is far more "blog" rather than "community" ...) is far more than simply a tool for raising cash and 'getting out' the message ...

      9/11/05, Day 1469, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:14:00 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Here's a suggestion (7+ / 0-)

    Direct the Dems to withhold unanimous consent and bring the business of the House to a crawl until the Republicans agree to a bipartisan investigation of ethical problems in the House and in the White House.

  •  Advice to the Democrats... (4+ / 0-)

    I realize the Democrats are an underdog right now in both the House and Senate so I'm not expecting any miracles from you but I hope you can communicate something to the Democratic leadership: We want a united front aganist the Republicans. We want Democrats to goto the media and present a united message day after day, until it starts getting through to public.

    I'm fusturated that the Democratic party seems to have ADD. We jump from distraction to distraction like trained seals. The Republicans know this and they use it aganist us. We have to focus on the 3 or 4 issues that are important to ALL of us and push that message every single day in a united way. We can't let the issues get too complex or we'll lose the casual voter who isn't studying every issue. Let's just focus on health care, education, ending the war in Iraq and domestic security. That's IT. The other issues will come up eventually but we need 3-4 core issues that can be repeated 24x7 for the next 8 months. Voters have to understand the message or the message is lost.

    "Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere"

    by Morbo on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:49:51 PM PDT

  •  RICO Claim against GOP (2+ / 0-)

    I liked your comment on civility, Rep. Pelosi, and I do hope if you are reading comments you read this one. I have only begun looking at the law but if the gloves are really off, research whether the GOP "culture of corruption" equals a "pattern of activity" actionable under criminal or civil RICO.

    "With great power comes great responsibility." -- Stan Lee

    by N0MAN1968 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:50:12 PM PDT

  •  Who is everyone talking too? (12+ / 0-)

    All I see everyone talking to an empty podium.

    •  Pessimistic Optimist ... (0+ / 0-)

      Or Optimistic Pessimist ... always forget which of this I am ...

      This diary suggests that someone around Pelosi (staff ... advisor ... contact ... Pelosi herself) actually was/is aware of the outrage that blew up yesterday (and I contributed my share) in and in reaction to her "diary" (posting a press release ...).

      So, will there be some reading of the reactions to this diary?  I tend -- taking the optimistic side -- to think that they will actually get a little attention, even though there is no posting.  

      This reaction was already more -- and faster -- than I expected ... For that, I will give her (staff) a little credit ...

      9/11/05, Day 1469, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:09:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  +1 for your login name (0+ / 0-)

      "Fernando Poo."

      Wasn't that an ABBA b-side?

      Trying To Maintain Rationality
      econatheist's bloggity blog blog

      by EconAtheist on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:19:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  California knocking people off voter rolls ??? (4+ / 0-)

    Dear Nancy,
    Thank you for showing up on Kos.  Could you please look into the situation described in this post:

    Apparently some deal has been made with Bush that results in registered voters being disqualified.  Can't be true, can it?

  •  Question for Pelosi staff (9+ / 7-)

    Great job, Pelosi staff.  You've done it again -- a drive by blogging.

    This morning you must have noticed how pissed off your drive by made this community.  So, what did you do?  You did another drive-by, giving us even more platitudes and treating us like we were empty-headed ATM machines who will support you no matter what.

    My question to you all is are you:

    *evil (i.e., actually working for the Republicans)

    *ignorant (i.e., lacking even a modicum of knowledge about how this community works)

    *lazy (i.e., you know that drive by blogging and platitudes piss off the community but can't be bothered trying anything else), or

    *stupid (i.e., you think no one notices that you keep spouting platitutes and not addressing this communities' concerns)

    I suppose its possible you could be more than one of these things, but I doubt it.

    Look, go back to your boss and tell her that she needs to actually address this communities questions if she wants the support of this community.  She lost a great deal of support when she played clever on regulating the internet.

    Also, tell her to stop trying to treat us like a bunch of idiots.  "The gloves come off!" is not a line to shout when its just business as usual among the Washington Insider's quarterly.

  •  Ms. Pelosi (5+ / 0-)

    We are indeed impatient for action. Although I don't agree with some of the more rude comments made the other day, understand completely the frustration. Keep up the heat on GWB. When you made the comment about him being clueless and dangerous after Katrina, I cheered because it was such a dire situation it needed to be said. Like that time, our country is in  a dire situation and plain forceful language, over, and over, and over again is required. Don't back down just because the R's respond with vitriolic attacks, they are always foaming at the mouth, expect it. USE IT as a platform to get YOUR VOICE heard. Get on the news, sound resolute in the face of their attacks.  

    Put together a parcel of ethics complaints on individual members (gloves off) that you keep hammering them with on the news shows. Tell the American people that they will be addressed when the Dems are in control.  Put together a parcel of Bills that Americans can get behind and tell them, When Dems take back the house these will be addressed. Keep up the heat until November. Americans will respond positively. Make sure Americans know that with R's control, these major issues are not and will not be addressed. Stand strong in the face of their ire.

    Also, Dems in the House need to support each other when R's are on the attack. Back each other up! Face the heat toghether.

    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."-George Orwell

    by Babsnc on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:57:01 PM PDT

  •  Hear us yet? (8+ / 0-)

    Are you finally getting the idea that we are pissed?

    We have no control, that is in the hands of people with money.

    Sorry, no more niceties: We want our fucking country back! You guys get no more money from me until we see some serious action.

    Fiengold's resolution is a place to finally start.

    Biodiesel, no war required

    by Simp on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 02:58:18 PM PDT

  •  Representative Pelosi, (15+ / 0-)
    Please understand that your definition of  taking the gloves off and our definition is, at present, world's apart.

    We want you to give it out as good as you've been having to take it.  And we want it  to be a very public fight.

    Americans don't like wussies. There it is. Sorry.  Americans want Strong on National Security and right now that means fighting in a very public theatre for the Constitution of the United States of America. Now. Show the people you mean it Now or they won't believe you later.

    Choose "The Rule of Law" and let every fight come under that demand and you will be met with resounding applause from ordinary Americans who are waiting for you to demand it.  Look to the People, Lead the People.

    Waiting is not Strong. You have the knowledge, the facts, the truth and consequently the weaponry.  Start the fight today, expect casualties, refine as you go and by September you will have all the momentum you could dream of. Wait any longer and your words will echo with emptiness because the fight is Now.

    Americans love a big burly fight for Justice.  Give it them and they will put you in charge of the Country.

    It is time to publicly demand, everyday every news cycle, "The Rule of Law".  All else will follow.

    "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

    by Unduna on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:00:55 PM PDT

  •  Is it just me, or are some of these responses (5+ / 0-)

    starting to resemble what happened to the fictional Josh Lyman on The West Wing a few years ago when he chose to post to a site dedicated to his fans ("Lemon Lyman")?


    -6.88, -2.97 All actions -- especially votes -- have consequences.

    by bwintx on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:08:41 PM PDT

  •  Leader Pelosi (6+ / 0-)

    Did you see the earlier poll on DailyKos showing that most people here don't like you?

    I was one of those people -- until today.  Were the poll to be run again, I would change my vote.  You're not perfect, but you LISTEN and respond.  That's what counts.

    Keep Pluggin', Ms. Pelosi.  Stick it to the Repubs.

  •  Jeez stop recommending these diaries!!! (3+ / 0-)

    Mrs. Pelosi---
    Although I am sure you mean well and these are great ideas, I have seen very little action by the house Democratic leadership. Oppositions to Bush go unsupported. Until we see action and not words, I will not continue to blindly support our party.

    Dkos community--- are we really sending a good message by reccomending these diaries? The Democratic Party is not doing what we want it to now-- what is should stand for--- why dont we show it?

  •  What a BUNCH of WHINERS (30+ / 1-)

    You know what people??  Our fucking Minority Leader posts two diaries on in two days, which is more than I often have the time to do, and all anyone can do is whine whine whine.  Give me a freaking break!

    She's not fighting hard enough!  Waaaah!

    She's referring to and not DailyKos!  Waaah!

    Give it the fuck up already.

    What was it, a year ago, that DailyKos was being flat-out rejected by our electeds????  And now, when the goddamn leader of our party in the house steps up and pays attention to what we're saying, all we can do is whine whine and whine some more?!?  I'm sorry, but that's re-DICK.

    Of course it was written by a staffer!  Of course it's not uber-personal attention!  And so the fuck what??

    I'm so TIRED of the whining about how we don't get enough attention, and then when we do, not more than a single word of thanks before everyone starts yelling at their leader in the house and bemoaning how she doesn't represent us and she doesn't listen.

    Get over it.  Want to make a difference?!?  Then get off the computer, get out on the streets, and change people's minds.  Yammering with each other online won't make a difference if we can't put our time and energy where our hearts and minds are.

    I'm not angry at anyone specifically here.  I'm just tired of feeling like people spend so much time whining that we forget how incredibly unique and amazing this place is and how much respect we ought to give it, and the people we're able to influence with it, before we just trash our electeds like this.

    -7.63, -5.79 The Christian Right is neither.

    by sfluke on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:11:54 PM PDT

    •  have to agree (6+ / 0-)

      The simple facts are, Democrats represent a wide swath of America, not just our little corner. There are quite a few Dems serving in the House that do not share our views on a lot fo stuff.

      I think that the job in the House is even more difficult than in the Senate; it's rowdier, the viewpoints of those elected go out to more extremes, and localized special interests can have a lot of play. And so far, Rep Pelosi has been outright trashed on DKos by quite a few people for failing to accomplish the impossible.

      She HAS been getting the overwhelming support of Dems in the House, who have extremely varied interests to vote together as a block, sometimes under great pressure.

      There is room for improvement, but we can cut her a little slack, can't we folks?

      "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

      by shpilk on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:36:58 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Good point sfluke (7+ / 0-)

      Nobody is more frustrated than I am with our democratic leadership, but the fact that Leader Pelosi posted twice in 2 days is definately a sign that they are not completely aloof and tone deaf.

      I think many suggestions are good ones, but we should remember who's side Rep Pelosi is on.  She did indeed vote against the war.  And she is also correct that the house rules are more restrictive on what a minority party can do.

      That said, Leader Pelosi has said we need an investigation before a censure vote.  Conyers already tried that.  Plese continue to make as many public statements as you can shaming the administration and the banana republican party.  

      We got your back.

      Leader Pelosi, if you can pull this off, you have an excellent chance of being our first female president, after the successful impeachment and conviction of Bush and Cheney.  I know that is in your thinking right now, but don't be afraid of the republican smears that will surly come complaining of your power grab.  This is about doing the right thing for our country.  Screw em'.

      We got your back.

      But, yes, you are so right sfluke, some of the comments have been way over the top, IMHO.

      •  thanks, bob (5+ / 0-)

        my biggest worry in posting was that people would lump me in as a 100% pelosi supporter.  that's not true at all.  yep, she's my representative in the house.  and there aren't many folks who could say that.

        that said, i just want people to feel empowered.  and when all i see is folks flipping off at our leadership when they take a moment to actually pay attention to us, then i think we don't deserve their energy.

        we either back up our words with actions (and that means making change happen with the democratic party to whatever extent we can), or we accept our situation and shut up.

        i don't think pelosi has gotten it right all the time, but i do recall a time not so long ago that all the other democrats in the house were wary of being led by a "san francisco" democrat.  she's done a rather good job considering the republicans will smear her at any chance they have, much less her own "base" in places like dailykos.

        -7.63, -5.79 The Christian Right is neither.

        by sfluke on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:47:52 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Because the consultants are telling them.... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        gmb, foxglove

        about these bloggy things.

        Pelosi has probably never even seen her own website.

        Blogs are just the "latest trend" and the polictians are trying to be all hip and reach out to the blogosphere.

        The thing that bugs me the most about this latested post is here promising to come back and post weekly about what they are doing.  WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.  We are pretty tuned in to the goings on in congress.  We dont need things explained to us.  We discuss what you are doing as it happens....

        •  i suppose some in congress... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...would have seen their own website, but i would hope that pelosi is focused on things other than her website.  then again, i'm in no position to either know whether that's true or whether it'd be an inappropriate priority.

          i have no doubt that "consultants" are figuring out that dailykos is a good place for politicians to have their voices heard.  if they didn't realize that at this point, then they truly are as irrelevant as "crashing the gate" reveals them to be.

          but is that cause for demonizing our party's leadership?  i'm not convinced.

          -7.63, -5.79 The Christian Right is neither.

          by sfluke on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:47:45 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  We must be pure! (0+ / 0-)

      Love your comment, as I have been troll rated for the same sentiment.

      Political purity, real or perceived, is what we want.  Pity the person who does not practice.

      You only regret the things you don't do.

      by DailyLife on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:29:45 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm not sure... (0+ / 0-)

        ...what "pure" means.  I think we just need to show respect for each other.  Pelosi is in a position of power, with some severe limitations.  I don't think she's always been great, but I'm unconvinced that most of the folks who complain so vociferously about her could do any better.  Would they fundraise better?  Would they hold the caucus together better?  Would they stand up on their ideals better?

        Until anyone here can claim with 100% certainty that they are more capable than Pelosi, then, while I think they all have the right to express their opinions, they're in no position to tell Pelosi she has no right here.

        -7.63, -5.79 The Christian Right is neither.

        by sfluke on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:41:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  She isnt my leader... (0+ / 0-)

      I didnt elect her to anything.  She fucked up with me years ago and I disowned her long ago.  I cant wait for her to be replaced.

      These are trasitory "elected" officials.  Two years from now no one will care what Pelosi has to say about anything.

    •  Phuk Dat Yo. (5+ / 0-)

      sorry. I ain't buyin' it. We knew in 2002 that Bush was bent on illegal war. Where were our leaders?

      9/11 required a complete investigation that has yet to occur. Where are the Democrats?

      Greenland and Antarctica are melting and transnational corporations are clearcutting the rain forrests. Hello!?!

      Bush stole 2 (count 'em) 2 elections and is activly shredding the Constitution. WHERE ARE YOU??

      And what our House leader did to Howard Dean in 2002 really sucked.

      Like I said. I ain't buyin' it.

      50 Ways To Dump The Dubya

      Love Songs From Ground Zero

      by Subway Serenade on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:47:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  fair enough. (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        TracieLynn, Ignacio Magaloni, vcmvo2

        i have no doubt that the dems haven't been loud enough.

        consider this, if you will, and i'll let you troll rate me as much as you please.

        the dems have no power in congress.  none.  you know that.  the only "power" they could claim at the moment (or for the last 6 years, for that matter) is in the media.  and all you need do is see the fox-ification of the media to realize that's not much of a lever either.

        we can criticize them all we want for not waking up quickly enough to the new reality of the political landscape.  but we can also understand when someone like howard dean seizes that reality and looks the fool in iowa and beyond for doing so that they'd be skeptical and nervous to take such an enormous leap of faith.  they're congresspeople, not fucking saints.

        as for bush in 2002, the house leader was gephardt, and he stood by bush's side.  don't forget that when pelosi was elected, the repugs were already laughing at the dems for electing a "san francisco democrat." electing pelosi minority leader was supposedly a risk at the time.  go figure.

        i'm only suggesting we not forget and we not alienate those who would be our only allies in a hostile government.  we can criticize, but until we put our money and time where our words are, we got nothin' to stand on.

        -7.63, -5.79 The Christian Right is neither.

        by sfluke on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:53:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Back off puke (5+ / 0-)

      It's not whining.  It is deep anger that we get NOTHING but talking points and excuses.  On substance we get shit.  We get a pat on the head.  We get IGNORED.

      I don't want talking points.  I don't want a campaign speech or a soundbite.  I want explanations and apologies and a promise to NEVER cower again.  Ever.

      Anything short of that is a failure to fulfill the oath of office and a failure of leadership.

      Reichstag fire is to Hitler as 9/11 is to Bush

      by praedor on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 05:15:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Hear hear! (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      THANK you.

      We shall fight them on the internets. We shall fight in the Starbucks, and in the streets, we shall fight them on the Hill. We shall never surrender!

      by bhlogger on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 05:19:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  You should really read (10+ / 0-)

    the little piece of Nancy Pelosi fanfiction thats on the front page right now- just for a little inspiration.

    You'll understand that we're sick and tired of Democrats talking big but acting weak so when you post a diary about "taking the gloves off" but still don't seem to be doing anything new we get pretty angry.

    If we're gonna win the security issue we have to show toughness and so far the Democratica Party hasn't shown to much of that. We understand you're a very busy person but if you could do something beyond a press release and a motion that will always fail I think you'd very quickly restore everyones trust in you.

    It took them 30 years- don't give up hope after 3

    by js noble on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:11:55 PM PDT

  •  Senate Republicans (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

      who represent fewer constituents than their  Democratic colleagues, do not hesitate to run over the minority. In the House, rethugs refuse to even let the opposition use a damn conference room. Their president barely squeaked through two elections, and calls it a mandate. Why do Democrats not make their lives miserable?
       They have shown no respect for those who represent millions of their fellow citizens. Why cut them any slack?

    "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power" -Benito Mussolini

    by happy camper on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:30:47 PM PDT

  •  Hey Nancy (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Danny Boy

    Nice of you to come back, after last night. Some of the boys and girls are chompin' at the bit, don't you know.
    It shows real class to make the effort to come back again. I recommend.

  •  props for coming back (11+ / 0-)

    & for reading through the comments.

    one thing you might do, to distinguish your work here from that of your staffers, is to have whichever staffer you have keeping up with all of this set up a separate account & identify himself/herself as your staffperson. this will help bring things to your attention &, as various people have noted, having someone around to respond to comments goes a long way towards building up trust.

    & if you don't have a staffperson keeping up with this & other democratic / progressive websites, i'd heartily suggest that you get one as we tend to be overcaffenated & hyper & i'm sure you have other things to do ;-)  more seriously, some of the other elected officials that post here, i believe, have found this to be a practical way of reaching out to the community.

    i think a lot of us were also very impressed by president carter when he set up a diary to respond to specific comments.  other office holders have gone into the fray & responded to comments directly.  but, either way, this helps to build up your net cred.

    best of luck.  s.

    the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity --w.b.yeats the second coming

    by synth on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:37:41 PM PDT

  •  Meta Limerick (0+ / 0-)

    There once was a blog called the Kos
    Where members were irate with Pelos
    Why doesn't she post?
    I hate her the most!
    We don't in-fight, we Dems are so close!

    I'm sorry. The government you have elected is inoperative. - Gil Scott-Heron

    by GenXWho on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:38:42 PM PDT

  •  Thank You For Your Response (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Danny Boy, bablhous, Indiana Bob

    I understand that we have the same short-term goals and I realize that you don't have the ability to shut down the House but I think the reason many comments pointed to Reid's action is that it is an example of getting a back bone and it resonated with so many Americans and made the Democrats look very good. Obviously you can't do the same thing but you can stand up for civil rights in other ways.

    It seems like too many democrats have bought into the  myth that going after the republicans regarding torture and wiretapping and the Iraq means
    a) you hate the troops or
    b) you love the terrorists

    Those are talking points.  The republicans don't really believe that, how can the democrats? And even if you don't believe that, all we can look to are the democrats' actions. Actions such as hearing those talking points w/ regard to Feingold's censure motion and the very same day hardly any democrat publicly supported Feingold.  

    It's not easy being a Floridian.

    by lawstudent922 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:42:42 PM PDT

  •  Congresswoman Pelosi (5+ / 0-)

    It is really hard to be criticized and I respect that you still came back to post. Overall, I do believe that the House Democrats do try. It is hard when you are trying to be told to try harder. However, that is exactly what all of you need to do. Please,Please,please if you have a criticism of a fellow Democrat do it behind closed doors. If you have praise shout it to the rooftops and don't be afraid to write your own letter to the editor. You must not only show a united front on the House floor but outside of the hallowed halls of Congress. Stand tall next to each other and get each others back. It's how we operated in the military as public servants fighting for our democracy I expect the same from all of you. All of us are expecting you to protect the "we the people" that are government was formed to be.

    •  In A Word, NO! (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      It's time that folks in the beltway feel the overwhelming sense of betrayal that's felt among us "Mythical Little Guys."

      The Democratic leadership has behaved like the enablers of rapists, pedophiles, thieves, and war criminals.

      I think Ms. Pelosi should have apologized before she took her gloves off. I'm waiting for her to put on the brass knuckles.

      50 Ways To Dump The Dubya

      Love Songs From Ground Zero

      by Subway Serenade on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:58:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  sounds like a load of crap to me (5+ / 0-)

    same old same old with promises to come.
    same shit, different day.

  •  specific NSA, impeachment, and Iraq requirements: (7+ / 0-)

    Thanks for your offer to listen - we hope it's sincere.  To win your credibility back with mainstream Democrats here and in San Francisco, you must:

    1. Recuse yourself from any investigative or oversight role in the warrantless NSA wiretaps you kept secret for 4 years.  When you attack Senator Feingold's efforts, knowing there will be no real investigation this year, you come off as a self-interested accessory to a crime.  Insist that the other apparent accessories in the "Gang of 8" recuse themselves as well, to avoid the appearance of a deep conflict of interest.  Until then all your "ethics" talk will ring hollow.  But if you remind your constituents that you kept this secret during a time of unprecedented national stress, and that it won't happen again, we will forgive you.  I would recommend reading the 4th Amendment and the FISA law into the Congressional record, followed by a direct apology.  If you claim you don't understand the law, you have no business as a lawmaker.
    1. Stop voting to fund the Iraq occupation, as Rep Anna Eshoo stopped in March.  When you claim Iraq funds are "must-pass legislation" you are saying you're no leader.
    1. Acknowledge that both censure and impeachment are appropriate when the president breaks the law and deceives the public in ways that cause loss of life.  As a long standing verbal opponent of the Iraq war, once you commit to item 2 you will no longer be complicit in the occupation, and can focus on correcting the president's crimes.

    Rep. Pelosi, you're in a crisis.  Here at Daily Kos, fewer than 1 in 5 of us think you've been an effective leader, and more than 2/3 think you've been a poor one.  Your constituents are the most disappointed - you know, you've heard their booing.  There have been at least two diaries aimed at holding you accountable and finding a way to replace you in November and, with all due respect, your own constituents in the Bay Area are the most enthusiastic for a change.  They would rather mount an independent or write-in campaign than vote for a Representative who bends over on illegal spying, can't take a stand on impeachment, and rubber-stamps funds for Iraq.

    Many of us have these same concerns.  Please answer them in your next diary post.

  •  Next time Hastert shuts down the ethics debate (6+ / 0-)

    you need to lead all of the Democrats out of the House chambers and have the press ready to receive the message to tell Americans.

    "We refuse to live in tyranny anymore!"

    You should be prepared now to shut down, stifle, obstruct and quash these criminal operations at every turn.

    It's your job to do so.
    We are tired of criminals ruining our country.

    We're counting on you to put a stop to it.

    "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty, soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

    by shpilk on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:46:40 PM PDT

  •  'Justification' for Violating FISA ??? (12+ / 0-)

    Dear Congresswoman Pelosi:

    There is no justification for Bush's violating FISA.  None.

    1.  FISA is Federal Law.  Period.

    2.  Bush unabashedly violates it.  Period.

    3.  It's a crime to so violate Federal Law.  Period.

    Also -

    a.  If "time is of the essence", the a FISA Court warrant can be got retroactively.

    b   If these are "known" Al Qaida operatives or terrorists, then why aren't they arrested or dead yet?

    And, with all due respect, what makes you incapable of making these simple points to the American People?

    And, with additional due respect, the U.S. Citizenry  has absolutely NO IDEA about "House Republicans 'on the record' about" blah, blah, blah.  Off of Capitol Hill and outside the blog world, nobody's paying attention to such things.  What people would pay attention to are [i] multiple Ethics Complaints viled against the House Republicans who deserve them, or, [ii] a UNIFIED, and SPINE-LADEN DEMOCRATIC PARTY in the House Voting for Impeachment of this Criminal President.



    We're working on many levels here. Ken Kesey

    by BenGoshi on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:48:21 PM PDT

    •  Ms Pelosi has a conflict of interest (2+ / 0-)
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      that I don't think she's spoken publicly about.  By informing her and a few Congress people (rather than get approval from Judges as the law requires) the President made Ms. Pelosi an accessory to his crimes.

      See my post above - she needs to come clean and recuse herself from opining on censure, and on the legality of the actions she kept secret for those 4 years.

      The fact that she is not calling attention to this conflict of interest damages her credibility and, until it's resolved, actually makes her a terrible spokesperson for ethics in Congress.  The rule is, avoid even appearance of a conflict of interest.  Instead she's holding herself and Bush to the same low standard.

  •  If this horse isn't dead yet (9+ / 0-)

    it has to be on life support.

    She came back and tried to answer her critics. I totally understood the anger yesterday, but what some people are doing in this diary today amounts to nitpicking. Micro-nitpicking even.

    One of the gripes yesterday by a lot of posters, myself included, was that neither her or her staffers were going to read or respond to the comments. It's pretty clear now that someone has read and responded.

    Can't we tone it down a notch now and try to have a civil discourse? Apparently we got her attention, let's not waste an opportunity.

    "If you don't want to fight for the future and you can't figure out how to beat these people then find something else to do." BILL CLINTON, Sat Oct 29, 2005

    by DriftawayNH on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:53:25 PM PDT

  •  Question (12+ / 0-)

    Why did you run and hide with the ENTIRE rest of the Democratic party when Feingold reasonably offered up censuring President Bush for his clearly and admittedly illegal domestic spying?  There is no question here at all that Bush broke the law.  He KNOWINGLY and INTENTIONALLY broke federal law.  He had multiple chances to seek changes to the FISA law, was even asked to submit his suggestions for changes, yet he did not.

    Though I know Feingold's censure resolution was in the senate, you nevertheless undercut him and spoke out against censure as fast as you could.  I suppose if this were Nixon you would have spoken out immediately against impeachment.  Bush has done NO LESS than Nixon did yet you can't even bring yourself to support censure as a modest start.  Again, there is NO QUESTION that he violated the law.  I can even tell you WHY he did, hell, the prime portion of his Administration hail from the Nixon Administration!  They are trying to make everything Nixon did A-OK by asserting superConstitutional magicsuperduper powers to do whatever the hell Bush wants.  They want to make it A-OK to spy on Americans in clear violation of the 4th Amendment.  You are letting them get away with it.

    I have NO confidence in you or your fellow travelers.  I have NO doubt that even if you do take back the House in the fall (not with MY help you wont) you will still do nothing and let Bush's illegalities slide through.  Don't make waves.  Don't want any "ugliness".  Go along to get along.

    Explain yourself.  Why is it that ONLY Senator Harkin has the stones to speak truth?  Why is it that he and Gary Hart are ashamed of their party?  Why do you cower before a President with approval in the mid-30s?  Why do you cower before a GOP congress with approval in the mid-20s!?  What does it take for you to fight?  To take a real stand?  What does it take for you to uphold and defend the Constitution?

    Reichstag fire is to Hitler as 9/11 is to Bush

    by praedor on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 03:54:18 PM PDT

    •  You've got it right (4+ / 0-)
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      I do appreciate Rep Pelosi coming back but I am sick and tired of talk and gestures. This fascist administration must be called out and stopped cold. I have virtually NO respect for any Dem who has not sighned on to Conyers impeachment inquiry or Feingolds censure motion. Anything less while every true American value is under grevious attack is bullshit and all of you "Weimar Dems" are selling us out.

      I am pro-life. Bring our troops home ALIVE!

      by Doc Allen on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:37:45 PM PDT

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  •  In light of today's revelations (3+ / 0-)
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    in the Scooter Libby trial, and in light of your recent claim that the gloves are FINALLY coming off, can we start an inquiry into impeaching this traitor in charge?  It was after all his own father who said the outing of a covert CIA agent is an act of treason.  Or are we STILL going to pussyfoot around the seemingly terrible 'I' word that the Republicans had no problem throwing around when Clinton was president for far less serious crimes?

    -7.38, -5.74 This is your world. These are your people. You can live for yourself today, or help build tomorrow for everyone.

    by DisNoir36 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:07:20 PM PDT

  •  Well said. Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  We need you now more than ever (3+ / 0-)
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    Thank you for coming her Leader Pelosi.  

    Along with all the other dishonesty and corruption we learned today that President George Bush himself committed treason and outed Valerie Plane.  

    It is time for impeachement.  Please hear us.

    Thank you,

  •  Thanks for listing: FILE A COMPLAINT (3+ / 0-)

    Getting them on record is nice and all, but is getting them on record a twelfth time more important than actually filing an ethics complaint that might be acted upon?

    What you've done by "getting them on record" is found a way to appear to be embracing ethics without actually employing the process in place.  Fortunately, you can correct this oversight in just a few minutes, by sitting down and actually filing an ethics complaint.

    It's nauseating that indictments from prosecutors come quicker than ethics complaints from within the House.  Real reform starts at home, ma'am.

    Florida Democrats: Learn how to WIN at the polls!

    by JR on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:19:45 PM PDT

  •  Thanks Rep Pelosi (2+ / 0-)
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    But I'm still ticked about the censure thing.

    Part of your job is to provide a check and a balance to the exec and judicial branches.  When the exec has so clearly and grossly overstepped its bounds, as this one has -- wiretapping its citizens without warrent, getting two thousand citizens killed by lying us into an unnecessary war, holding citizens without charges or access to attorneys, etc, etc, etc; WHY, WHY, WHY are you so unwilling to do the barest minimum of what you are charged with doing, and openly state that this behavior isn't OK with Congress through censure?

    You Congresspeople are all we've got.  We've put you in office to do your job.  Please do the whole job, and don't stand in the way of those who are trying to do theirs (Sen. Feingold comes to mind).

  •  Who Recommended This Boilerplate? (3+ / 0-)
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    I am crankier now than I was previously.

    Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, er, we'll never get fooled again.

    We'll see you at Yearlykos!!!

    by InquisitiveRaven on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:20:08 PM PDT

  •  Please join Kerry in his Iraq efforts (2+ / 0-)
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    Stand together. Stand strong.

    Thank you.

    Hey! That wasn't very...

    by diplomatic on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:20:25 PM PDT

  •  Thank you, Rep. Pelosi (1+ / 0-)
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    In my opinion, you and Harry Reid have the toughest jobs in the country.  Thank you for your efforts on behalf of the Democratic Party and the American people.  

    Here's my idea, for what it's worth, regarding the urgent need to get rid of Rumsfeld:  I'd like to see you and Harry Reid oversee the preparation of a "White Paper" on the conduct of the war in Iraq, one that focuses just on the things the administration did wrong in terms of military planning, post-war transition planning, counter-insurgency tactics, etc. (this would take a weekend to put together -- George Packer's articles in the New Yorker, Zinni's book, and other published materials provide a ready reference).  Then write a cover letter and get all the Democrats in Congress to sign it, and circulate it among the Republicans to offer them a chance to sign it as well, and send it to President Bush AND DEMAND RUMSFELD'S RESIGNATION, asking Bush to appoint a competent Secretary of Defense for the good of our military and country.  

    The purpose of this effort would be threefold:  1) to get a Rumsfeld out of there so he can do no more damage, 2) to educate Americans about just how criminally incompetent the pre-war and post-war planning process really was, and 3) to show that Democrats can get together and accomplish something constructive (in this case, organizing a well-planned assault to get rid of Rumsfeld).  If nothing else, publicizing a list of all Rumsfeld's horrendous screw-ups would focus attention on the administration's blatant incompetence -- people like my in-laws, who get all their news from Fox, simply have no idea how bad it was.  

    Much as I would like to get Bush and Cheney out of there, that's not possible at this point in time -- Rumsfeld is the best we can do and I think it's of paramount importance that he be forced out.  The longer he sits there smugly pretending he did nothing wrong, the longer some people will stay hoodwinked by the Bush administration (i.e., the 36% that still think Bush is doing a good job -- sheesh).  The Democrats successfully forcing Rumsfeld out will send a clear message to the American people:  Things are NOT okay and the Democrats are doing something about it.            

  •  Respectfully: Hire bloggers to help you. (7+ / 0-)

    The following letter was posted in this diary

    Dear House Democratic Leader Pelosi:

    Thank you for posting your 'gloves are off' diary at The Daily Kos, yesterday.  You can see, by now, that the response was mixed.  Readers at Daily Kos are happy to see the Democratic Leader of the House talk tough, but after so many missed opportunities--that tought talk fell on skeptical ears.  Probably not the reception you were hoping for.

    After reading your diary and watching you lead the House these past years, I am convinced you are the kind person who looks to the public for honest feedback at times like these--real advice from the very people with a vested interested in seeing you succeed.

    As such, I am writing this diary not to scold you, not to berate you, not to attack you for what you have or have not done--but simply to suggest a way forward, a way to get past the leadershp problems you have had.  The solution is not only simple, but it is one I am convinced your staff has yet to consider:

    Hire bloggers to help you

    Hire us from this site.  Hire us from other sites.  Hire us from the top of the A-List, hire us from the B- and C-List.  Hire bloggers to help you.

    The solution is for you as leader of the Democrats in the House to hire bloggers.  The problem is that the Democratic Leadership in the House is behind the media curve.

    What is the 'media curve'?  Leader Pelosi, the media curve is that combination of skills, instincts and tools that enable our political leaders to succeed at the nexus of government and media that constitutes American politics, today.  Democratic Leadership in the House is behind that curve because you still see the media as the way of publicizing what the Democrats are doing in the house--rather than the actual work itself.

    For example,  if you wanted to pass an ethnics resolution in the House, you should have first come to The Daily Kos to enlist the help of the progressive netroots, to grow the campaign from the gound up, to create pressure in the system.  Then, after enlisting media activists, you should have gone to the floor of the House to confront Republican Leadership.  Having done that first, your 'gloves off' diary would have been a follow-up report that talked about 'How we are doing' in the ethics battle and where we will turn next.

    Another example would be the press conference you held last week to announce the Democratic 'plan' to move forward in Iraq.  Rather than launching this as a political strategy at the intersection of government and media, you and other leaders held a timid 1950s style press conference.  Your press conference, sadly, was upstaged by the President and picked apart  by the vultures in the broadcast media.  It did not have the impact you had hoped.  

    That press conference was a missed opportunity--missed because your office did not understand how to launch a campaign of that magnitude in the current political environment.  That campaign should have started as a whisper or viral campaign on the internet, enlisting help from A-List Democratic bloggers who could capture the attention of the media.  A month before the press conference there should have been so much chatter about your event on the internet that the event would have succeeded no matter what.  Rather than having one person holding a 'plan' (upside down), there would have been tens of thousands of Democratic online activists and writers holding the attention of the media.  

    There is a basic difference between what needs to happen in order to succeed in politics, today, and what you have done repeatedly in the past year.  As a result, you are at the point where you should admit that you do not fully understand how to launch a successful, national issues campaign in today's media driven politics.  And once you admit that, you should immediately ask  for help.

    Hire  bloggers to help you.

    As we head into 2006 and then 2008, it will be absolutely crucial for you to be out in front as a leader on all fronts.  But the irony of your situation is that each time you step up to lead, you demonstrate that you are behind the media curve.

    Neither you nor your staff understands internet technology.

    Neither you nor your staff understands the role of blogs in politics.

    Neither you nor your staff knows anyone in the new media netroots.

    Neither you nor your staff has succeeded in this new medium that will define the 2006 and 2008 elections.

    Hire bloggers to help you.

    The solution is simple.  Hire bloggers.  Hire us at the state level.  Hire us and bring us to Washington.  Hire us and put us on the campaign trail.  Hire bloggers.  Don't wait.  Do it right now.  Democratic candidates for President are already hiring bloggers. Now it is time for the Democratic Leadership in the House to do the same.

    Your gloves are off.  Now, please pick up the phone and call for some help.

    Thank you for your leadership and for considering this request.

    Yours sincerely,

    (see signatures below)

  •  hmmmmm.... (3+ / 0-)
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    My job is to keep House Democrats unified on behalf of the people's interests, not the special interests, and as the New York Times reported today and Time Magazine reported last week, we've been doing a good job.  We did it on Medicare. We did it on Social Security. We did it on tax cuts.  And we're going to do it today on the budget.

    it appears that prez bush is back-dooring a lot of this stuff you're claiming you did a good job on.

    it also appears that you think if you keep SCOLDING your colleagues they'll somehow change their behavior.

    it appears to ME that the person you all should actually be scolding is the prez, in the form of censure at the very least. if you smack him down, then your colleagues won't have anything to rubber stamp, correct??


    The radical invents views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them. -- Mark Twain

    by FemiNazi on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:27:35 PM PDT

  •  Conflicting feelings (4+ / 0-)
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    One the one hand, I am glad that it seems like  House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi is paying attention to the Dem blogospere.  On that same hand, I wish to thank her for the progress that she has been able to make.

    On the other hand, the article seems little more than a pat on the head -- the kind you give to a child when you don't know what else to do.  Additionally, it was written in such a delicate and formal manner that is completely out of place in the blogosphere.

    The blogosphere is where we come to be brutally honest, and, sometimes, remarkably uncivil.

    I've got 50 bucks that says a staffer wrote it, and the "author" of this diary barely glanced at it at the most.

    I'll give her 3 points for giving the appearance of showing up, and minus 2 for treating us like wayward stepchildren.

    Talking to yourself again, Black Adder?............. Yes, it's the only way I can be sure of intelligent conversation.

    by Predator Saint on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:28:45 PM PDT

  •  Take some risks (7+ / 0-)

    Ms. Pelosi:

    Since you and reasonably senior members of your staff clearly review the comment threads here, I'll share what I believe accounts for the sometimes prickly reception you've been getting here.

    I don't doubt that your commitment to progressive issues is genuine, and I understand that as a senior member of the leadership of Congress you can't just shoot from the hip in public.

    At the same time, there's a strong perception in the activist base of the party (the people who write the checks, volunteer for the campaigns, post and edit blogs like this, staff the phone banks, do the grunt work, and generally act as the opinion leaders of the party base) that much of the party leadership, including yourself, are too risk averse and as a result are usually outflanked by a frankly very determined cabal of right-wing conservatives.  

    When the more passionate posters here rail about the "corporate" style of Democratic party leadership, it's not (usually) just populist rhetoric.  It's a statement about a flawed process by which the Democratic leadership advances the agenda that I think we agree on.  This isn't about liberal versus moderate versus conservative, or who has the most virtuous and pure issue position.  To put it succinctly, borrowing from lexicon of strategic planning, the Democratic leadership needs to adapt its business model from a low-risk paradigm of accomodation to a more aggressive policy of asserting positions and issues that we know will work and that reflect our values, and winning the large majority of these.  We'll lose a few, too, of course, and wind up rethinking why we did what we did in the first place. But overall, we'll find that the Republicans are much more often on the defensive and that we're perceived as the winning alternative in the eyes of the electorate.  And we'll be winning without surrendering what we believe in.  Do we ever compromise?  Of course we do.  But a more aggressive stance puts us in a much stronger position when it's time to negotiate with our opponents in the Republican party.

    Howard Dean is wildly popular with much of the Democratic base because he's followed this approach and he is willing to take calculated risks to move the party forward.  Focused leaders like Dr. Dean (in both the business world and in politics) involve people.  They listen, they experiment, they take risks, they innovate, and they adapt.  "Corporate" leaders, on the other hand, are fond of top-down decision making and "leadership" pronouncements from on high, all the while seeking to compromise and to maintain the status quo for fear that anything else will be even worse.  That strategy can not and will not succeed against a determined opponent.  And, while not all Republicans are our enemy, we have no need to accomodate ourselves to fundamentalist thugs like Tom DeLay, whose antics are more the stuff of a "Sopranos" episode than a reasonable model of leadership for a country like the United States.

    We in the liberal blogosphere don't need to be told that yes, indeed, our basic issue positions are the right ones.  We know that already.  What we -- and you -- need is for our elected leaders to stand up and fight for us.

    We don't expect you to endorse everything that we call for here (after all, we don't even agree among ourselves) but we expect you to take us (not necessarily DailyKos or blogs, but your extended core constituency) seriously and to take your role as a liberal Democratic leader seriously.  Sen. Feingold does this.  Sen. Reid is beginning to do this.  I'm sure you can, too.

  •  Here's what I want to see, for what it's worth (3+ / 0-)
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    Rep. Pelosi,

    Here's what I want to see, for what it's worth.  And hopefully this doesn't get lost in this huge and quickly growing thread.  I'm taking the time to type it up with the hope that maybe you'll see it.

    1.  I want to see a comprehensive plan in place for the issues we care about the most - getting out of the Iraq mess, national security, economic health and getting out of debt, health care, environmental policy and election and campaign finance reform.  I want to see serious money put towards education, scientific research and tax credits given for innovation.

    Now the "Real Security" plan is good, and I like the fact that you've also shown what you've done with voting records and the like.  Please do that with the other issue areas.

    1.  I want to see Democrats on TV every night and in Congress every day talking about these plans and presenting a vision for what America could be in the 21st century.  Don't engage the Republicans on wedge issues, just keep hammering the public with your vision for America.
    1.  I want to see an opposition party that is willing to go to battle for us.  I get the sense that the tide is now turning but since 2004 the response has been less than desirable.  I'd suggest tossing every one of those consultants out on the street that says you shouldn't get behind censure, you shouldn't get behind an "get out of Iraq" resoltuon, you shouldn't support investigations into voter intimidation and disenfranchisement, you shouldn't filibuster.  Look at the polls, the American people are behind those ideas and they have been for a while.

    I will not continue to vote for Democrats and put in my time and money to Democratic campaigns if said Democrats aren't willing to fight for their values.  And since I'm in your district that includes you as well.

    Pick up a copy of Sun Tzu and read it, pass it around and take it to heart.  Its time to stop being nice and it is time to start treating this situation with the severity it deserves.

    I want each and every one of you to be able to make speeches like Galloway.

    I've had it up to here, I really have.  I find that I'm unable to be shocked by anything these days.  If we don't fight with all of our strength now, there won't be anything to fight for in the future.

    You've probably seen Markos' ad for his Crashing the gate book, that pretty much sums up how I feel in pictures.

    Thanks for listening.

    Take your country back one dollar at a time at
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    by Raven Brooks on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:33:21 PM PDT

  •  Thank You for Listening! (1+ / 0-)
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    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:34:48 PM PDT

  •  Thanks For Sticking With It (2+ / 0-)
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    Now, on to brass tacks. This line:

    *"This is a serious matter and all of the facts about the surveillance program must be fully investigated before we start talking about punitive action."*

    To that, I ask, why? When someone has committed an enormous string of, essentially, unlwaful break-ins, theft of private information, and who knows what else... And very importantly has admitted it... You don't need to wait to censure. As I said on the other diary I believe strongly in due process and presumption of innocence, but when someone is in a position to continue breaking laws, admits to doing so unrepentantly, and there is in any case no chance for a real investigation... Then censure is appropriate. At that point. Not at some later date. Not pending an airing to see whether their is some "gotcha" in what the crimes were committed for that could work against you electorally, if you acted.

    This is why we call foul.
    We cannot help but determine that there is anything other than:

    1. A belief that American freedom is expendable for political expedience,
    1. A calculation that puts any amount of trespass against our society at a far lower, if any, priority, versus the possibility of some political brouhaha working against you.

    Please disupte that. I'd love more than anything to be wrong. And if in fact you disagree with that guesstimation then seriously consider doing something proactive to convey that.

    Note that with recent scandals at the DHS, the onus is off the people more than ever. It's not about us not needing privacy if we have nothing to hide. It's about how the government, if it has nothing to hide, being transparent and constitutional, not to mention accountable, subject to law. Subject at bare minimum, square one, to censure, a mere moral victory.

    9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

    by NewDirection on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:36:00 PM PDT

    •  To All This, I Should Add A Thank You (1+ / 0-)
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      For the many things we do hold dearly in common. Preservation for ecological jewels and overall planetary health, well-educated kids, social tolerance, fixing potholes, not going into perilous debt, and not believing that Michael Crichton's fictional science can be agreed with.

      9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

      by NewDirection on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:43:04 PM PDT

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    •  Bush deserves his day in court! (0+ / 0-)

      Since he has been declared President, he must first be impeached, convicted and removed from office, then he can enjoy the rights and protections of the system of justice he has attacked from Guantanamo to Padilla.
      He can be judged by a jury of regular Americans, perhaps in a series of criminal and civil proceedings. I think if we demonstrate that he can be fairly tried and convicted, he may not have to go to the Hague.

      •  Censure Improves The Chances Of That (0+ / 0-)

        As opposed to hurting them. Enough of this "keeping your powder dry" nonsense. Use your powder effectively in the here and now and it increases your chances of being able to use it even more effectively in the future.

        Of course to secure Republican votes for the measure we'd need to give the impression that this would be the end of it....

        9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

        by NewDirection on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 07:25:50 AM PDT

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  •  I'm glad to see your posts here, (2+ / 0-)
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    and I can only hope you're also LISTENING when we respond.  I don't like to feel that we have served only as a place to make a hit, so it does make a difference when there is actually some DIALOGUE.  Otherwise, it seems disingenuous.  There have been some instances when elected officials or politicians keep us posted when there's a hot item out there and they post to keep us updated--let us know the latest and help direct us re strategy.  We don't expect them to stop during a heated House or Senate session to enter into dialogue.  I can appreciate that.  

    I was impressed to see that you did give a sort of summary response to your prior post.  I'm encouraged by that.

    One of the worst consequences of this Administration has been the disconnect between the people and their representatives--"representative" implies this connection.  But in reality we do not see that connection.

    Our Leader Dems right now are throwing out lots of sales pitches to energize us because elections are quickly approaching.  We are there, we are ready.  We are, in fact, waiting--waiting for our leaders to catch up and ACT.  If you say you're serious about cleaning up corruption, we want to see REAL reform.  Clean it up!  Don't just soften the edges.  If you say you're serious about the deplorable healthcare situation, don't just cut out a few of the more odious elements.  Redo the system!  There are models out there that work.  Our system is one that feeds off the middle and lower class--it is in fact destroying our middle class.  We are carrying your banner on healthcare to help elect Dems to congress, but have you listened to what we expect in terms of healthcare reform?  We're serious about it, are you?  We want to make sure you listen to US, not just to special interests--those corporate interests that buy influence and shape our laws.  Will the Dems fight for Clean Campaign financing?  This would show a sincere commitment to bring the people back into their government.  You ask us to carry the banner of "accountability" to help elect Dems to Congress.  We're there.  We've been there.  Why aren't our Dem leaders who are there now fighting in unity for accountability?  We understand that we are the Minority--does that mean we can't stand up and be counted.  You just haven't been there--we have.  If you can't stand together when you're the minority, why will that change if WE make the Dems the majority?  We were lied to by our President, all of Congress should be speaking out to censure the President for this--but the banner is dragging on the ground.  "Vote for us, we'll speak for you" gives us cause for suspicion here.  And get it together on Iraq!  Start at the beginning, don't just pick it up and keep going in the wrong direction.  If the foundation of a building is horribly faulty, you don't keep building on that faulty foundation and expect the building to come out as a lasting monument.  We went wrong from the beginning, so go back to the beginning and get to the real job of redesigning.  We were attacked by X, we declared war on Y.  Oh, my god!  We made a grave mistake.  We treat it like a mere bump in the road, keep going in the same direction.  We should not even be on that road.  We're trespassing!  Don't keep morphing the road signs.  And don't keep asking our children to give their lives for the continuous failure of their government to come to terms with the real situation.  They are out there while their government merely runs from responsible action.  It is time to bring them back.  Not one more should die because we can't decide what in the hell we're doing.  And why weren't we standing together to oppose Alito.  We were there, where was our Party?  If we're going to win in 06 and in 08, the Dem Party needs to define itself.  The Dem Leaders need to demonstrate some unity behind issues--unlike the troops fighting in Iraq, we want clear objectives.  We're committed to real noble causes--and the middle class is one of them.  We want real reform, not just a party change in Congress.

    Yes, Nancy, it's time to take the "gloves off."  Let us know you mean it.  Give us a sign.  A real sign--not a sales pitch.  And keep in touch.  We want to hear from you.  We also want you to listen.  Give us a dialogue.  We're here and we're ready.

  •  Thank you, Minority Leader Pelosi (2+ / 0-)
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     We're all on the same team here. And this Democrat, at least, really, really appreciates your outreach to the blogosphere. And I especially respect your coming back after some of the more unfortunate reactions last night from some in our community.

     There have been times in which the actions or inactions of the Democratic leadership in Washington have been frustrating to many of us over here. I'm afraid some of that frustration might have bubbled over last night on the part of some, but please understand that the vast majority of us want you to succeed. If you win, we all win.

     We're a big tent. You're not always going to do or say things that we're all going to like. But if your moves, statements, and actions are perceived as part of a deliberate, long-term, organized plan to restore Congress to the Democrats and our nation to sanity, then you might be surprised to see how quickly we get on board.

     Again, thank you for posting on Daily Kos. Thank you for listening to us.  You can be a big help to us; we can be a big help to you.

     Now go kick some Republican butt!


    Of course Republicans oppose abortion. If you kill them in the womb, they're not available to be killed on the battlefield.

    by Buzzer on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:45:21 PM PDT

  •  I, for one... (4+ / 0-)
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    Lisa, Danny Boy, vivacia, bablhous

    Assume that you will get the messages we leave whether it is by reading them yourself or having them summarized. Good enough for me.

    I think what many of us are calling out for is a braver and more bold form of leadership - one that does not seem designed to pander to a theoretical middle or sway members of the other side. We have had enough of that and don't believe it is possible.

    Part of the offense is that you promised to 'take the gloves off' and that is what we want, but apparently your version of taking the gloves off looks, to many of us, a lot like when you were wearing gloves.

    It's hard to say you are 'taking the gloves off' when many of us support censure (and most of us probabably even think it doesn't go far enough and it is a mark against Democrats not to be talking about impeachment).

    What is taking the gloves off?

    Republicans will tar their opponents with made up swift boat ads. They will get into the mudd and sling b.s. and unsupportable barbs.

    Democrats have material but won't use it! We see this pathetic attempt at 'civility' that sounds a lot like Kevin Bacon saying "thank you sir can I have another" (Animal House).

    They've been punching us in the face for years. Time to punch them back, and harder.

    Question their patriotism. Use terms like traitor. Get ugly.

    Otherwise you're just letting them beat on us all.

  •  Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid (2+ / 0-)
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    Danny Boy, Five of Diamonds

    or at least we will.  

    Feingold/Slaughter '08. Hey, I can dream.

    by bosdcla14 on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:49:43 PM PDT

  •  Dear Pelosi Staffer (5+ / 0-)
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    Roastbeef, vivacia, gmb, bablhous, bill in wa

    You answered a lot of questions that people posed yesterday.
    It's good you want a conversation.  But you avoided the elephant in the room.

    Why have you (or your boss) introduced 12 resolutions while allowing the Ethics Committee to remain a sham?  

    How can we respect you when you adhere to an agreement so fundamentally harmful to us and to the institution of Congress?  What is the problem with filing Ethics complaints?  Why has it been so long since a member of either Party has filed an ethics complaint?

    Please answer that tomorrow.  We'd all love to hear why the House no longer has a functioning Ethics Committee - unless someone like Chris Bell is leaving and can break the Code of Silence while receiving little to no support from Dems.  

    The lack of a real Ethics Committee and an agreed upon ceasefire is truly a disgrace - a disgrace that serves to reinforce among many here the idea that your words are empty rhetoric and your resolutions (all 12 of them) merely theatrical gestures devoid of purpose or power.

  •  Concur... (0+ / 0-)

    fight from the principled left and back common sense strategies regardless of their acceptability rating on the center right. Conservatisim is dying! Stand by the laws and Founding Documents and history will vindicate us!

    -7.13, -5.95; Clark/Feingold in '08!

    by LoneStarLefty on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:59:38 PM PDT

  •  Representative Pelosi, (3+ / 0-)
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    At the outset, I deeply thank you for your service and believe you have achieved many great things in this toxic Washington environment.  Your personal persistence in demanding accountability for ethics is one of them.

    I am also aware of our party's strong moves on many issues in the past 12 months.  For example, the National Security strategy is impressive.  If it received the attention it deserved November would be a cakewalk.

    However, it is not enough.  You have to understand, we democrats are the whipping boys of the national political dialogue and have been since, at least, the demonization of the Clintons in the '90's. To add insult to insult, democratic principles are attacked with lies and deceit.  We've had enough!

    In addition to flat prejudice we must endure from the right wing as progressives, we are living in a time when the most incompetent and dishonest president in the history of our country is shredding our civil rights before our eyes.  I mean, what kind of a man would abuse the injured national conscience of 9/11, which hurts me to this day, to justify a war that we never needed.  Evil sometimes is not hyperbole.

    We want leadership with the spirit and vigor that matches in magnitude our own deeply-held desire to restore honor to our country once again.  America is walking toward a cliff in the fog, chained to that path with corruption, lies, incompetence, self-serving, and hubris.  We know it, you know it, but we can’t hear you say it!  

    Allow me to offer an example.  Senator Feingold stood in resolute opposition to the dictatorial conflation of the hubristic executive and the rubber-stamp majority in Congress.  And, he did so without sacrificing the diplomatic essence of JFK's words you quoted above.  It was awesome.  The power in his message was the risk he took.  He stuck his neck out for me.

    By not standing by his side, the democrats put off those of us who see inspiration in taking risks because it’s the right thing to do.

    You are a strong leader, Representative Pelosi. And although we don't 100% agree on all issues, I know by listening to you in interviews and speeches that we share many values. But every one of our democratic leaders has the ability to sharpen their blade to a much finer point without the peril of falling on it.  Look at senator Feingold, why, he's a hero in many people's eyes.

    Take those gloves off Congresswoman, and pick up a baseball bat.  We need you.  

    One voice,


    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 04:59:52 PM PDT

  •  Wow (3+ / 0-)

    What can I say except, thank you gentlewoman Rep. Pelosi.   Thank you for writing.  Thank you for reading/listening.  Thank you for taking some criticism with class. Thank you for engaging the discussion.  Thank you for the promiss to keep coming back to build this dialogue into something constructive for everyone.

    I can also say, I got your back when the fight is on.  I will help you.  I will talk to friends, family, strangers, enemies.  I will write papers.  I will call officials.  I will donate money.  I will vote.  I will listen to what you say you need from us.  I will be the base you need to fight the evil agenda corrupting our country.  Lets make this a real fight, to win, for all our sakes.        

  •  Good for you. (1+ / 0-)
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    Danny Boy

    I was critical the other day. But I truly appreciate you coming back and responding.

    That's how we know you're on the good side of the Force.

    Rock on Pelosi.

    Lucky me! Not everyone can afford to be poor.

    by killdiebold on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 05:04:29 PM PDT

  •  RE: Censure (3+ / 0-)
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    vivacia, DelRPCV, Catte Nappe

    Senator Feingold's complaints served to highlight some critical issues about the program and the lack of accountability in the Bush Administration. This is a serious matter and all of the facts about the surveillance program must be fully investigated before we start talking about punitive action.

    Leader Pelosi, there are two separate issues here. 1) the extent of the program

    1. whether the president broke the law

    #1 needs an investigation, but #2 is not an issue: the law is clear and the president has admitted to breaking it. You don't need a trial when the defendant has already pled guilty. You move to the sentencing phase, in this case censure.

    There is nothing that prevents this congress from censuring this president for his admitted lawbreaking and then engaging in an investigation to find out the extent of his lawbreaking.

  •  Thank you for coming back (1+ / 0-)
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    Danny Boy

    It makes you look more like you mean it.  Now, make stuff HAPPEN in Congress!!  Go for it!

  •  censure position (1+ / 0-)
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    You might want to change your censure position.

  •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

    Most of us here recognize that you have your hands full right now. I, for one, appreciate the response.

    Keep fighting the good fight. :-)

    We shall fight them on the internets. We shall fight in the Starbucks, and in the streets, we shall fight them on the Hill. We shall never surrender!

    by bhlogger on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 05:18:12 PM PDT

  •  Shit or get off the pot already. (Respectfully) (2+ / 0-)
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    Roastbeef, vivacia

    If I fed my boss this kind of fluff, I'd be looking for another job tomorrow.  

    Boss: "Hey, can you get that report to me?"

    Me: "This is a serious matter and all of the facts about the report must be fully investigated before we start talking about building it."

    Boss: "How 'bout that project I asked for 2 months ago"

    Me: "I don't have the same programming procedures as my co-worker does, such as the one Programmer Jones used to build that database last year, but I will continue to look for opportunities to creatively and aggressively demonstrate my programming abilities.."

    Boss: "You're fired!"

  •  Oh, just shut up already. (8+ / 0-)

    Seriously Nancy, this is getting ri-goddam-diculous.

    First you come in telling us how your'e taking the gloves off by getting really angry but not actually doing anything about it.

    So we tell you to stop your grandstanding and get behind Feingold's censure motion - in fact, over 100 people posted that you should be behind Feingold - over 20% of all replies.

    So how do you respond? With a platitude about JACK MURTHA?



    Is that understood? We don't care about putting censure motions on Duke Cunningham - he's hardly going to be having a worse day if he gets censured after showertime. And we don't really care about Murtha and whether you support him or not - he's doing just fine with or without you.

    And we don't really care whether you support publicly funded elections or not, because we know you'll do nothing to actually make them real.

    What we care about, right now, almost to a man, is that the Democrats get behind Russ Feingold and actually help him hold this President accountable - just ONE DAMN TIME.

    Instead you come here and blah blah about Crashing the Gate and MyDD, rattling off what your strategist has told you to say to 'appeal to the bloggers', but onyl managing to sound like a grandmother trying to talk about Pearl Jam with the kids at the bus stop. "You kids, you like that Crashing The Fence, don't you? What do they sing?"?

    Please. It's old. It's hackneyed. It's ridiculous. And if you can't do better, step aside for someone who can. Like the three you refuse to get into the muck with - Howard Dean, John Conyers and Russ "08" Feingold.

    •  Dude. (0+ / 0-)

      There were Murtha-related comments in the other diary thread. I assumed that was what she was referring to in that part of this diary.

      Although I do agree that her Feingold mention was insufficient and her position on censure is abominable.

  •  More Free Advice (0+ / 0-)

    Any '08 Democratic Presidential candidate who doesn't start courting Zinni as a VP selection is a complete moron.

    Gee, think he would diffuse the "National Security" debate a bit?

    The guy comes across as a true and real American, honest to the core, and tough as nails.

    Heed my advice.

  •  Thanks for coming back, Nancy (0+ / 0-)

    As you've seen, the rules of engagement here are likely much different from what you've grown up with.

    That isn't going to change, so I hope you'll accept and adjust accordingly.

    I suggest that, in the future, you assign a staffer to monitor the thread and that you plan on following up on any one diary with another - based on the comments and questions you find.

    You do have some level of control, in that you can choose which issue(s) to respond to, but I hope you don't wimp out or abuse that option. Don't just try to hit the grapefruits out of the park - take on the tough stuff, and for crying out loud be honest in your replies.

    Welcome to democracy in its latest iteration. It isn't perfect, but it's better than the alernatives.

    "...psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of...politics, law enforcement, (and) government." Dr. Robert Hare

    by RubDMC on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 05:39:02 PM PDT

  •  Welcome, now leave. (2+ / 0-)
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    Roastbeef, Great Cthulhu

    Unless you can stop patronizing us, many who are your
    betters, and light a fire under your own butt. Not ours, yours.


    A spiral road can open truth's wine.

    by omfreebogart on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 05:43:16 PM PDT

  •  Another drive-by is NOT a dialogue (1+ / 1-)
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    Dropping yet another drive-by plattitude is NOT the same thing as engaging in meaningful dialogue with those from whom you wish support.

    This diary is just another lame-ass attempt at pandering to an educated, passionate, and fully-engaged electorate.

    Ms Pelosi, you reveal yourself--yet again--as just another DC Democrat.

    FIGHTING DEMS like General Wesley Clark and Senator Russ Feingold are going to have to teach you the meaning of Democracy if you aren't willing to learn the lesson for yourself.

    Say "hi" to Joementum for me while you're slumming around the halls of Congress.

    Cthulhu 4 Preznit -- Why vote for petty evil?

    by Great Cthulhu on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 05:44:52 PM PDT

    •  It's more than appropriate (2+ / 0-)
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      DelRPCV, vcmvo2

      When she has the country's business to do.  She has given us a fair hearing, responded to some of our concerns.  It's not a drive-by.  And replies like yours are absolutely an embarassment.

      •  wups sorry...NOT (1+ / 0-)
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        mini mum

        It's more than appropriate when she has the country's business to do.

        Pelosi isn't doing my business by doing a drive-by posting (read: Press Release).

        She has given us a fair hearing, responded to some of our concerns.

        Fair hearing?  FAIR HEARING?!  She's a friggin' public servant, and she doesn't have the right to give us a "fair hearing"; WE decide whether or not to give her--or any politico-- a "fair hearing".

        It's not a drive-by.

        Define the term and then tell me how it's not.

        And replies like yours are absolutely an embarassment.

        To whom?  You?  Well then, in the name of the First Amendment (which guarantees all Americans the right to political free speech) me, rightard.

        Cthulhu 4 Preznit -- Why vote for petty evil?

        by Great Cthulhu on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:23:18 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Rep. Pelosi (1+ / 0-)
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    thanks for responding to the comments from the previous diary.

    while many of the concerns expressed were valid (and many were not), i do hope you and your staff find better things to do with your time than answer every single kossack on every issue they can think of.

    not so much because the issues themselves aren't important.

    but because the folks who've already decided that you are on the wrong side of grassroots issues will never change their mind anyway.

    i know.  i've tried.  it's a complete waste of time to engage the grassroots on that level.  

    i know you have always been against the iraq war.

    and i know you support john murtha.

    and i hope john murtha supports you as well.

    on occasion.
    •  Bimini I Wouldn't Say It's A Waste Of Time (2+ / 0-)
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      green917, DSPS owl

      Frankly there are a number of things that Rep. Pelosi could say which would very quickly smooth over this gap.

      Such as, "President Bush publically admitted breaking the law in bypassing FISA, and the immediate remedy available for that is Censure. Investigation will follow to determine the why and wherefores, but what matters today is doing what we can to preserve the rule of law. We can't pretend laws are infallible and unbreakable in the real world but we can be darn sure that all government employees uphold the law in the exercize of their power. That includes the President. Because investigations will be timely and the admitted crime is continuous, this censure resolution must move ahead immediately if it is to be at all meaningful. perhaps it will help in making impartial investigations happen, at which point other corrections may become possible."

      9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

      by NewDirection on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:36:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Here is my suggestion: (0+ / 0-)
    I said this in a couple of other places on dkos today. It is not a joke.

    I believe that every single speech by a Democrat on the floor of the House should conclude with the following statement:

    I am further of the opinion that the President must be impeached and removed from office!

    by UntimelyRippd on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 06:14:26 PM PDT

    •  Hehh... (0+ / 0-)

      I can see it now. It becomes so monotonous that some Republican is over heard saying the same thing out of mockery.
      And is told, "I'm glad you agree! Let's do it now!"

      GOP = Armageddon Politics, pass it around.

      by RElland on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 08:59:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  apart from the historical reference (0+ / 0-)

        of Cato, whose speeches in the Roman Senate supposedly ended with "I am further of the opinion that Carthage must be destroyed", i like the idea because it reminds me of Arlo Guthrie's plan for Alice's Restaurant:

        And can you imagine fifty people a day? I said FIFTY people a day . . . walkin' in, singin' a bar of "Alice's Restaurant" and walkin' out? Friends, they may think it's a MOVEMENT, and that's what it is: THE ALICE'S RESTAURANT ANTI-MASSACREE MOVEMENT! . . . and all you gotta do to join is to sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar.

        I am further of the opinion that the President must be impeached and removed from office!

        by UntimelyRippd on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 06:39:35 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  This diary gets an A from me (2+ / 0-)
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    DelRPCV, stephdray

    The reception to the last diary was less than cordial.  My thoughts were in line with the majority, although I didn't post anything.  And many politicians, faced with that reception, would decline to take it constructively.  They'd say "oh well, I guess the blogs are just as intractable as everyone says" and go about their business.

    I think the content of this diary - although I appreciate it - is not as important as the spirit in which it is written, and the implicit acknowledgment that we simply have to work together to accomplish anything as a movement.  

    I wish more people would respect this point and not continue taking the approach that "you're dead to me unless you support issue X."  All things in time, I guess.  I'd like to see Rep. Pelosi soften on a couple issues but I think the rest of us probably need to soften a bit ourselves as well.  Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, friends.

  •  Rep. Pelosi (1+ / 0-)
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    Thanks for offering to report back to DailyKos readers on the progress of events in the House of Representatives.

    Please consider attending YearlyKos for a few hours, June 8-11 in Las Vegas and listening to what the netroots are up to. Senator Harry Reid will be speaking on Saturday, June 10, and it will help all of us activists, cynics, and political contributors to know what our national Democratic leaders are thinking. Two way communication cannot help but strengthen the Democratic Party.

    As Governor Howard Dean taught us, we have the power.

  •  RESIGN -- NOW. (0+ / 0-)

    Mr President:

    We are beyond censure.

    We are beyond impeachment.

    Spare the nation -- and yourself -- the time, expense, uncertainty, and embarassment of what must now inevitably come.

    You, the man, are showing the signs of stress and mental anguish.  It pains us to hear the sound of declining health in your voice each day.

    By May of 1968, 38 years ago, another determined President from Texas was showing the same crushing signs of strain from taking on the wrong war for America.  I watched his demeanor change from one inspiring admiration to one inspiring pity.

    Lyndon Johnson wisely chose not to continue as President.

    This situation of yours is not going to improve by "staying the course" or by making light, dismissive jokes.

    Mr President, it's time to go.

    (And take your shadow, Darth Cheney, with you.)

    If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State...

    by HenryDavid on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 06:19:47 PM PDT

  •  Just thought I'd try to hit the left margin (0+ / 0-)

    and actually respond to the diary, rather than to the endless discussion of the Segway using MyDD, which used to stand for, uhm, Due Diligence, but now stands for -- something else, and did you notice the hyphen?



    Rep. Pelosi,

    Thank you for coming by (again), either in person or through a staffer. If it was, indeed, a staffer, at least you or the staffer seems to have read enough to respond, to begin to create dialogue. If you did the reading and drafted a response, that's even better. And if, in the midst of trying to lead the Democratic minority in the House and deal with a budget (herding cats while having root canal) you actually came, read, and wrote this diary yourself, then that's truly worth a Thank You and two or three AttaGirls.

    I hope you'll come back. I hope you'll engage, and respond, and become part of the Kossacks. But most of all, I hope that in reading the diaries and comments of this community, you will come to sense both the anger and the energy that is coming to a boil out here in the hinterlands. And, having seen with your own eyes the level of passion in the grassroots, that you will be re-energized to fight the good fight, stand up for what's right, and keep calling "Bullshit!" whenever you catch a whiff of it. That will get you more Recommends than any diary you could ever pen.

    Bruce in Louisville

    by bmaples on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 06:27:56 PM PDT

  •  Remembering why I view comments less and less... (1+ / 0-)
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    Someone made a comment about the DeLay mayhem at a Lampson presser and it turned into a long, infantile spazfest about whether or not someone on this site called someone else a Nazi.

    So damn much of this thread is bashing Pelosi, giving her no credit at all and insisting on a scorched-earth-or-bust approach. Frankly, a lot of people come across as left-wing versions of Pat Robertson for Pres. supporters and about as intolerant as those who would support Pat and his ilk.

    Speaking of Pelosi, happened to see U2 in the Bay Area last year. Bono talked about his efforts to get people to pay attention to things like foreign debt, AIDS, etc.

    He related having gone to see Nancy Pelosi when he was an "amateur." He added that she told him, "Be nice to people Bono, you might get somewhere."

    No question, there are times to not be nice, but there are times when adults are nice. Too many people in this thread and others come across like spoiled, whiny, ignorant, arrogant children.

    Feel free to bash me for this... or the fact that I--gasp!--like NASCAR. That must mean I have six toes on each foot, bed my cousins and have an IQ of 14, right?

    I ain't got no damn job. Need a writer/editor/Web guy? Have brain, will travel.

    by rghojai on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 06:29:09 PM PDT

  •  Iraq (0+ / 0-)

    I think we ought to make an offer to leave Iraq if we are replaced by 160,000 Arab League or UN troops that are acceptable to the elected Iraqi government.

    It is time to change the guard and to bring our troops all the way home.

  •  God, this diary got off track.... (0+ / 0-)

    I only browsed through the first 100 or so posts.... won't read anymore. (Or I will start at the bottom to see if the focus stays on what links she provided and general grammar and syntax issues).

    So, in response to this diary... Thank you Ms. Pelosi.

    I will eagerly look for your weekly postings here (when Congress is in session).

    Thank you!!!

    I have to say, however, that, if this party gets its act together and stands with unity, it will be because of what we will teach and show the leaders in the party.  Not the other way around. Just my little prediction.  Cause, you can't believe how many apolitical VOTERS there are out there... that may not be able to put words to their frustration, but when they hear one of us recite the issues, they are totally down with it.  You cannot BELIEVE the number of voters who just want the dems to TAKE NO PRISONERS.

    LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

    by letsfight on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 06:35:15 PM PDT

  •  Training (0+ / 0-)

    What is needed is a an almost surefire path to a middle-class lifesytle and not a mere opportunity.

    A lottery ticket is an opportunity, but a very poor one.

    We need to allow most people to be to have access to a fair share of the wealth that America can generate, and not just the sifted few.

    Even if you train each pole-vaulter equally well and ensure the course conditions are equal, most will fail if you set the bar too high.

    Most people can be trained to do at least one of the following tasks:

    1. probate a will
    1. file a standard form lawsuit
    1. read an X-ray
    1. operate an MRI scanner
    1. operate a CAT scanner
    1. treat a diabetic patient
    1. treat a heart patient in an office setting
    1. prescribe medicine based on a diagnostic code and patient interaction
    1. place a dental filling, crown, or bridge
    1. do residential plumbing work
    1. do residential electrical work
    1. defend a person in a court of law
    1. own and operate a medical rehabilitation center

    The top 20% of each high school graduating class should have the right to prompt admission to a medical or legal specialty college with a tuition of no more thsan $2,000 a year.

    The colleges should be mainly Internet based so all interested students can study their desired specialty.

    The successful graduates should be able to directly offer and bill for their services.

    I hired a lawyer nine years ago to probate my mother's will.

    The paralegal did ninety percent of the work and the lawyer got ninety percent of the fee.

  •  Lower the cost of healthcare (0+ / 0-)

    by measures like paying for medical educations in return for reduced priced professional sevices.

  •  Lower prescription drug costs (0+ / 0-)

    by allowing a doctor to write a diagnosis code and allowing the patient to buy any medicine matching the diagnosis code.

    Drug companies would then be forced to wage a price war at the pharmacy counter.

    Say you got a diagnosis code for depression. You would enter that code in at a computer terminal. You would then be offered a choice of drugs by class.

    You would pick a SSRI, say Prozac hoping you would get a deal on Zoloft. The machine would then probably offer you a deal on Zoloft. if not, you would have to back up to select the Zoloft.

    You would then select INITIAL and enter your weight and age.

    You would get a radio box with the computer selected dosage selected. If your doctor told you to get a different dosage, you could then select that.

    The machine would then check with your insurance company and with your past prescriptions.

    You would then be allowed to pay with a credit/debit card. If you need to pay cash, you would pay the clerk after clicking CASH and then FILL PRESCRIPTION.

  •  Politicians need to do and not merely say (0+ / 0-)
    a few words.

    Every state with a Democratic governor and a Democratic legislature should have:

    affordable higher education

    a minimum wage of at least $8 an hour

    roads without potholes in the summertime

    uniform hospital billing Maryland style for everyone so the 45 million uninsured can pay the same price as the big insurance companies

    voting machines with paper trails

    laws requiring the lowest prescription drug prices in the industrialized world

    individual notification when a generic drug prescription is sold for $10 above its wholesale cost

  •  The problem of malignant contracts (0+ / 0-)

    needs to be brought under control too.

    The interest rate on a loan should never increase except based on market factors such changes in the prime rate.

    Contract prices should only increase according to the Government CPI and underlying commodity prices unless a new signature is obtained.

  •  Spoiled little babies. (3+ / 0-)
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    DelRPCV, milofischi, oncall

    A lot of the people freaking out on this thread are spoiled little brats. Privileged know-it-alls, holier-than-thou shriekers.

    First, the meat of the issue:

    1. Do I agree with Rep. Pelosi on most of the issues? NO. Not at all.
    1. Do I agree that Rep. Pelosi's tactics and strategy are the best way forward for the Nation and for the Democratic Party? NO. Not at all.
    1. Do I feel that Rep. Pelosi needs to take a good hard look at the means, methods, and outcomes of her and her colleagues' actions, and to use this review (and the many good pieces of advice, criticism and critiques that CAN be found in these threads) as a way forward, a way to reconfigure and redirect Democratic efforts in the House (and Senate)? YES, absolutely.
    1. Do I think that Rep. Pelosi's diary from yesterday and her follow-up today represent a good first step in that direction? YES. Do I think that there are hints of "boilerplate" in these diaries, and that there is more than a little bit of "whitewashing" also inherent in the way that these diaries were written? Yes.

    Now to the attacks on my fellow Kossacks:

    1. What is one of the main, constant, and over-riding themes of so many comments here on Kos, in general (not just in this diary and its predecessor)??? THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS DO NOT ENGAGE WITH WE THE PEOPLE. You all know it's true.
    1. Now that one of our elected Reps. IS engaging, and IS reading some of our critiques and IS responding in some measure to our input, what do we do?

    Freak out, scream, yell, and berate.


    Get this through your heads: YOU do not know everything. YOUR way is not agreed upon by everyone. YOUR way is not necessarily the best way.

    I am very saddened by the fact that many of the posters whose POLITICS I most closely agree with are the very same people whose TACTICS are so abysmally shitty that the very moment that we FINALLY get something that we have been screaming for - Some degree of direct engagement - we start throwing shit like monkeys at the zoo because the person with whom we are engaging does not necessarily cleave to our every principle, does not adhere to our every dictum of proper political action.

    We wanted engagement. Now we are getting some degree of engagement, and what do we do?

    Rather than using it as an opportunity to foster MORE engagement, to begin the constructive, forceful and direct dialogue that is required between people of good faith who disagree (and many of us, myself included DO DISAGREE with Rep. Pelosi)...what do we do?

    The tenor of many comments and threads on this diary is so childish, so incoherent, so irrelevant, so self-centered, so SPOILED, that I would think that most rational adults would run screaming from the room and never come back.

    I wrote a post yesterday over at FireDogLake defending the criticisms of Rep. Pelosi, making the point that this is NOT a roomful of people screaming at each other. That these comment threads can be read at leisure, the chaff ignored and the gold extracted for consideration.

    That is becoming less accurate and less relevant.

    This thread is a disaster, and many people here should be ashamed of their behavior.

    You want engagement? You want a direct line to national political figures, you want them to listen to US, you want the blogosphere to become a player in determining political and philosophical directions in American and world politics????

    Then start acting like you actually have the wherewithal to address issues, to talk to other adults, to engage as equals on topics where there is NOT necessarily broad agreement.

    Otherwise you, and by extension the rest of us, are a bunch of screaming children throwing toys and pitching fits the moment we get a minor droplet of the attention we were, not hours ago, screaming for.

    Grow up.

    The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

    by RedDan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 06:50:23 PM PDT

    •  o stick it (1+ / 0-)
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      Years of frustration have led to this opportunity to tell a Democrat leader what we think of the weeny party.

      Polite discourse was rendered impotent some time back, if you haven't noticed.

      So please step aside while I scream some more: GIMME SOME BAD NANCY!

      A spiral road can open truth's wine.

      by omfreebogart on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 06:57:16 PM PDT

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      •  Poor widdle boo boo... (0+ / 0-)

        waaa, I am frustrated and I am too childish and spoiled to deal with real-life frustrations like a mature adult.

        Get a grip.

        The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

        by RedDan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:01:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You keep talking about children (0+ / 0-)

          Let me put this to you in grownup terms. Your overly parental, somewhat humorless, constipated manner seems to point to a childhood issue located in the anal phase.

          Remedy: take a party favor, put it in your mouth, bend over and blow it up your ass.

          A spiral road can open truth's wine.

          by omfreebogart on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:25:38 PM PDT

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          •  You want power? (1+ / 0-)
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            You support power for the people?

            You advocate direct responsibility of elected officials to their constituents?

            Yes or no?

            If yes, then please tell me how the ravings exhibited here further that cause.

            My remedy for you is the following:

            Take a moment and think really hard about the difference between wanting something and being able to handle the reality of that something.

            The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

            by RedDan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:28:42 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Put It Away, RedDan.... (1+ / 0-)
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              You want power?

              I'd prefer justice.

              You advocate direct responsibility of elected officials to their constituents?

              Yes, but sometime before 5 years have gone down the drain and some 200,000 people have died. Does that kind of hand-wringing frustration push the bounds of gentle discourse? You betcher ass!

              Could Pelosi have slowed down ANY of that crap by weighing in on, say, the Armor shortage? The Bankruptcy bill? I didn't hear a whole lot of sustained screaming, just promises and "we'll get 'em next time," or "send money." Btw, while you may think Pelosi hasn't deigned to speak directly to her constituency until now, there have been a great number screaming, writing shouting, and otherwise pleading for her to do something to slow down the Republican Culture 'O Corruption for FIVE YEARS NOW. Now she shows up after we, as a country, have been anally probed with an electric egg beater-set on "high" and you're complaining that we aren't behaving like David Niven??

              Are you kidding?

              If yes, then please tell me how the ravings exhibited here further that cause.

              If you walk out onstage and get hit with rotten fruit, do you know what the people think? Immediately? That's essentially my point. Pelosi knows we had an illegal war. Pelosi knows that Delay is filthy. Pelosi knows that the Ethics Committee is a joke. What did she do? Why she agreed to an "Ethics Truce." Gee. I feel safer already...

              I didn't buy into this party so that they'd have truck with thieves and liars. I wanted change from politics as usual. I just lobbed some verbal moldy tomatoes to help Nancy understand that her song-and-dance, nothing-up-my-sleeve act doesn't cut it anymore.

              People are dead, murdered directly because of this administration. The time for boardroom etiquette was over after Bush stole the election in 2000. The swiftboaters only added fuel to that perception.

              Take a moment and think really hard about the difference between wanting something and being able to handle the reality of that something.

              Take a moment and put your self righteousness aside and explain to these people why I shouldn't be livid enough to chew nails:


              In my opinion, Nancy Pelosi ought to be horrified to come here after the myriad failures of our "representatives.." (gack!) and scared to death to face her constituency! Just look, c/o Blue Shark, at all the Bullsh*t that the republican Nazi party has done to America while St. Nancy was trying weak resolution after resolution and "distancing herself" from Feingold, a REAL patriot:


              If you're not hopping mad and furious, you are NOT conscious! You are NOT paying attention. And if Pelosi still comes sniffing around thinking she's doing a bang-up job, she isn't paying attention either....

        •  whatever the merits (1+ / 0-)
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          of your argument, you are spitting in the wind, RedDan.

          You can't stop the tide with an outstretched foot.  

          There could a lot more respect in this thread, but I'm glad people aren't playing patty-cake.  

          •  But that's exactly the problem. (1+ / 0-)
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            People ARE playing patty cake - by engaging in mindless rants and spittle flecked diatribes, they are deflecting attention from the justice and urgency of the basic issues that MUST be addressed.

            The spit-flecked rants can be easily dismissed with facile reference to fever-swamps and etc...and all the other hard-nosed, hard-core, heavily researched, referenced and supported arguments run the risk of being thrown out along side.

            The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

            by RedDan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:36:00 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  True (1+ / 0-)
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              but you can't nag your way out of it.

              Nagwars are just as wasteful.

              And the collective anger sends a more important message than any specific points.

              We are not happy with the job Pelosi has been doing.  So, when she comes here and tells a happy story about holding the Republicans accountable, people are bound to howl in outrage.

              When we see them walk out of the dome and refuse to do business until the President briefs the entire intelligence agency on the NSA program, and all the other domestic surveillance being carried out by military intelligence, and FBI infiltration of peace groups, then we'll be nice and quiet.

              You don't take away our 4th amendment rights and go on doing business as usual.  

              Ethics complaints are nice.  This is a constitutional crisis, though.  And I don't see any house members on my television telling the truth about it.  

              Ms. Pelosi needs to get the message.

              •  Collective anger (1+ / 0-)
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                with no focus or coherent expression is a waste, and an invitation to be written off.

                Mrs. Pelosi DOES need to get the message (along with a LARGE number of elected officials, citizens, bloggers, and etc).

                My question/complaint/frustration arises from a very, very simple question:

                WILL Mrs. Pelosi et al get ANY message if the signal to noise ratio is so degraded by the volume of nonsense and unfocused ranting demonstrated here?

                I think not.

                I think MY, and YOUR, and OUR collective outrage, years of effort at building this medium to the point where this kind of feedback is possible, regular, normal, and  respected as a true means of Direct Democracy runs the risk of being made irrelevant should we not learn how to USE that collective rage effectively.

                The internet has terabytes of information available. Information directly pertinent to this issue on this diary has been organized, indexed, cached, linked, crafted, and cross-referenced by any number of extremely smart, devoted, and dedicated progressives on any number of easily accessible sites.

                Is it too much to ask for people who are outraged to take a minute, focus their anger, and USE the tool appropriately and effectively as a means toward our shared goal???

                The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

                by RedDan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 08:01:28 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  look (0+ / 0-)

                  I strive to make my site a very high in the signal to noise department.  This site should have laid down the law on that a long time ago before it got so big and unruly.  But Daily Kos is the way it is.  It's filled with a lot of noise.  You can't change it now by nagging people.  You're just contributing to the sunstanceless nonsense in the thread.

                  And now I am doing it too.

                •  You want focused, coherent, coordinated (0+ / 0-)

                  dude you came to the wrong place.  Sounds like a political straightjacket to me and it certainly isn't the purpose of a blog.   This is no place for lockstep.

                •  No Focus? (0+ / 0-)

                  I have read every comment on this thread up to this and I don't understand what you are getting at.
                  Surely there has been a lot of "spittle flecked" outrage expressed here, but there have also been cites form other diaries, specific responses to Pelosi's comments, and specific concise suggestions.
                  It seems pretty clear to me that there is about as unanimous a voice as can be expeted from any large group on a few key points.
                  Support Fiengold's censure motion, the President has publicly admitted wiretapping without a warrant which is clearly illeagle.
                  Pullout of the shamefull agreement in the House to not file ethics complaints and start filing them on Republicans who deserve it.
                  Fight anyway, anyhow, with whatever weapons you have at your disposal the destruction of democracy being perpetrated by this administration.
                  Sounds pretty focused to me.
                  I don't know how you could read all these comments and not get a pretty clear idea of what most people here want.

              •  Just how does the constitutional crisis get (0+ / 0-)

                ameliorated with censure, Booman?

                I would like to see Bush and Cheney impeached early next year. Keeping in mind that we'd need 67 votes in the senate (i.e about 20 GOP crossovers) even if and after the Dems win the house back in November, how will expending energy pushing Feingold's censure resolution get us any closer to achieving the objective of impeachment?

                •  i'm not talking about censure (0+ / 0-)

                  I'm talking about the Dems in Congress shutting the mother down.  Pelosi can't do it without a walk-out.  First they have to start addressing the gravity of the problem.  There should house members lining up to go on television, radio, hold town meetings, write editorials, etc.  Nothing should be done on any issue until the President comes clean on the NSA.  We know that he wasn't spying on al-Qaeda or 11 NSA officers never would have come forward to say it is was unjustified and illegal.  THe FBI wouldn't have complained about how all the did was spy on innocent civilians with the intel.  Please.

                  Impeachment follows inextricably from the exposure of the program.  

                  •  Good points (0+ / 0-)

                    But Bush needs to be forced to come clean. You've probably seen his belligerent response today at that townhall meeting.

                    What we need is cold  hard evidence of what the NSA officers and whistleblowers are saying. But if i am not mistaken, no one has been able tell the specifics of the program, which seemigly goes over and beyond what came out via NYT expose, citing security clearances.

                    Bush is going to keep claiming the legitimacy of everything he did as long as he is able to hide the details. Would you agree?

                    Then, how do we force his hand into coming clean?

                    I think that in addition to getting out and talking about it, we also want an investigative regimen.

                    How far would just talking about the Plame affair have gotten us at this point of time? Clearly, Fitzgerald is moving that case forward isn't it?

                    Do you agree with me that pushing a similar approach in this case may take us farther sooner than would calling for censure?

    •  That's Certainly A Valid Prespective (2+ / 0-)
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      milofischi, OMwordTHRUdaFOG

      But there comes a time when you've gotta say, "Say it ain't so, Shoeless Joe!"

      In other words, many of us feel that a number of levels, the game is being thrown. A lot of people who (still) don't bother to participate in the political process, cite that as why. It's a serious problem. Extremely serious.

      Whether the perception is accurate, or if its just a legitimate ability issue, difference in strategy, different understanding of the rules... If it's legit it needs to be cleared up. When it's not cleared up, it looks more and more like it's a real variance on goals and not just on priorities. If that is so we need to know. We can still be allies where necessary... But we need to know.

      Am I saying that any Democratic politician is literally in league with the Republicans against us, if not against entirely all of their constituents, at least on some issues? Well, let's see.... Yes. And why would I think that? Zel Miller. Joe Lieberman. Those guys are out in the open. In your face about it.

      It should come as no secret that politicians sometimes work against certain elements in their party and indeed against the majority of their party. And on some issues they find indespenible I don't doubt they occasionally act against the wishes of a vast majority of Americans. We have the system of government we have precisely so they will do things like that. And they know it. That's the system: Elect the smartest and least objectionable people, the most socially adept. That's who gets elected. And they are presumed to know best, to be a check against mobocracy. They know that's their role.

      And I can live with that but what is not going to happen, is a missed opportunity to feel out those issues. Call it "crying" if you like, I call it having a voice in democracy. It's not like we're griping that Bush the Elder said he hated broccoli. This is our democracy; this is the heart of the matter right here.

      9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

      by NewDirection on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:26:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And your reply is also a valid perspective. (1+ / 0-)
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        I actually tend to agree with what you say far more than disagree.

        It's not the content that drives me nuts, its the means, the mode, the method that gets me going.

        People want direct contact? People want input? People want their say? GREAT, says me.

        And then? This? This is what we wanted when we started agitating for more direct democracy?


        In the specific case of your suspicions, I think that it behooves us to first listen to the case presented by each politician who posts here, we must then follow with direct and pointed questions, engagement in attempts to argue, convince, and educate...and then evaluate the results.

        The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

        by RedDan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:33:42 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yes Absolutely (0+ / 0-)

          We live in a dark age, and therefore are barbaric, some of us, at times.

          But, we aren't alone. That's where many voters are at too. It's also the nature of this medium. It would be nice to have a politics that were above the dust and fray, but we don't have that. What we do have, are some politicians not adept at prevailing beyond their own districts.

          Perhaps they can learn to be more effectively scrappy here, and still retain the polish that is needed for NPR and soforth. John Kerry is certainly getting better at it.

          9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

          by NewDirection on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:56:06 PM PDT

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          •  I am in no way suggesting (0+ / 0-)

            that we "need to rise above the dust and fray" - no way!

            I am saying that our collective anger and frustration COULD BE an extremely powerful force for change IF we could get our act together and USE the tool we have helped make effectively and efficiently.

            Cold rage.

            The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

            by RedDan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 08:03:36 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Healthcare providers should be required (1+ / 0-)
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    to post their prices online in a standard format.

    Supermarkets and restaurants are required to post their prices.

    One of the major reasons retail workers make so little and doctors make so much is that retail establishment post prices as required by law and doctors normally don't.

    So society nickles and dimes retail establishments while handing a blank check to the medical industry.

  •  Your ears may be open (3+ / 0-)

    but apparently your eyes are wide shut. This country is sinking fast - and you are an enabler.
    I hope you realize that your name will go down in history as a memeber of the worst Congress this country has ever seen. The one that gave our Republic away.

    "All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

    Start talking about Impeachment, War Crimes and Treason. Or start packing your bags to go home because the 'Unitary Executive' (aka Dictator) don't need no steenkin' Congress gettin' in his way.

    And the American middle-class taxpayer can no longer afford you and all your perks and goodies.

    So do something constructive about these criminals in this administration or take a hike.  

  •  Small anonymous political contributions (0+ / 0-)

    should be allowed.

    Right now contributors have to provide their name and address to the recipient.

    I would like to be able to register with the Federal Elections Commission. They would give me an identifier, say BJK8372.

    I could then send a money order to the candidate plus the identifier.

    The candidate could put all the money to use and not waste it begging me for more.

    After the elections and after the candidate reports have been filed, the FEC could post on its website the names, addresses, and identifiers of people that gave more than say $2,000.

  •  You need a liason on the blogs. (1+ / 0-)
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    Jeffrey Feldman

    Jimmy Carter had his granddaughter, who did a really good job. Please use his example and get somebody who can monitor this post and reply. Trust me, we do need a human face who can give more than the boilerplate responses that we'd expect from a press agent.

    The true Ben Franklin quote from Poor Richard's Almanack is "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

    by Andy30tx on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:02:34 PM PDT

  •  As your constituent (2+ / 0-)
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    bablhous, oolon

    I'd like to say thanks for coming back today.  However, I've got to tell 'ya how disappointed I was when I read this diary.  Yesterday, you got slammed here for not standing with Feingold on his censure motion.  Yet, you or a staffer (?) come back with the same old platitudes and empty words, not even bothering to address the issue of censure.  Sorry, Rep. Pelosi, but you don't score any brownie points from me (and lots of other would be supporters) by not addressing the ONE ISSUE that should have jumped out at you or a staffer (?).  By not responding, you tell me that you have no legitimate reason to not support censure.  That is simply unacceptable, as is saying we should show our displeasure in the voting booth (I'm sure you remember being booed here in SF when you told the crowd that).  Excuse me, Rep. Pelosi, but we don't have time to wait for the voting booth.  Our democracy is being destroyed right now.  If we follow your time line (wait for that voting booth!), we won't have a democracy left to fix.

    So, let me say one more time:  When you stand with Feingold on censure and when you support impeachment, then you've taken the gloves off and we can talk.


  •  And look at that... (2+ / 0-)
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    Sally in SF, vcmvo2

    back from a vote, reading comments, and updating the diary with direct responses.

    But will that shut up the screaming mimi's?


    Again, do I agree with Rep. Pelosi on all or even many of the issues? No.

    Again, do I think that Rep. Pelosi should take a good hard look at the direction our party and our nation is taking and reconfigure tactics and strategy and behavior appropriately. YES.

    DO I think that the spoiled rantings dominating this thread are going to have any useful impact on those arguments? No way.

    The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

    by RedDan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:05:19 PM PDT

  •  Not that anyone... (3+ / 0-)
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    BenGoshi, bablhous, oolon

    ...will make it to the 420-something post, but...

    I am deeply concerned by the President's justification for his domestic wire tapping program and the Administration's unwillingness to provide details of the program to members of the intelligence committee.  Senator Feingold's complaints served to highlight some critical issues about the program and the lack of accountability in the Bush Administration. This is a serious matter and all of the facts about the surveillance program must be fully investigated before we start talking about punitive action.

    Sorry, Ms. Pelosi, but this just doesn't cut it.  What investigation?  There will be no investigation, no action...except to change the law to make Bush's illegal actions legal.  We will never get all the facts.  Stop pretending otherwise.  

    Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

    by Barbara Morrill on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:11:17 PM PDT

    •  You're right Barb, it doesn't cut it. (1+ / 0-)
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      I think that it behooves US to show exactly why it does not cut it.

      We have a responsibility to provide the relevant documentation showing exactly how EVERY "investigation" (9-11, WMD, Iraq Intel, and so many more) has been used as a cover, a whitewash, and a stonewall and post-hoc justification for the illegal and immoral actions of this President and his cabal of idiots.

      I have the distinct feeling that Rep. Pelosi honestly does not see the issue the same way that we, or Russ Feingold see it.

      Why is that the case?

      What information does she have that we don't, or do WE have that SHE doesn't?

      Only AFTER that exchange of information has been completed, will I feel comfortable excoriating the lack of support shown by Rep. Pelosi for some of our favorite causes....

      Once we have, to our satisfaction, made our case directly to Rep. Pelosi (and any others who care to partake) can we in good conscience consign her actions to political cowardice, political calculation, or secret support for the arrogation of power by the executive engaged in by this administration.

      The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

      by RedDan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:24:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm sorry, but... (2+ / 0-)
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        bablhous, oolon

        ...this diary, on the heels of her last one (and the four or five before that) are a waste of space as far as I'm concerned...they are meaningless.  You'd get this same spiel (form letter) back if you sent her a letter.  Political calculation is all it is...and if she is unaware that every "investigation" has been a cover, a whitewash or a plain old joke?  Then she's worse than I thought.  

        I've seen some comments applauding her coming back and "facing the music."  Baloney.  She still hasn't engaged anyone in a dialogue.  And for anyone who says we can't expect an elected official to blog all day with us?  Pffft.  Give us a freaking hour...I've watched enough CSPAN to know they all have a lot of free time.

        Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

        by Barbara Morrill on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 08:25:25 PM PDT

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  •  Dear Rep Pelosi, (0+ / 0-)
    Thank you for coming back today and responding to yesterday's comments.  I am sorry that it appears so many in the community thought it would be worthwhile to use the comments section of this diary to cat fight with each other.  I did not feel that yesterday's diary was productive other than I hope you got the message from so many here that we feel democrats in congress can and should be doing so much more.  I appreciate that you plan to come back once a week and that you will try to be more responsive to the comments in the diaries you post.  I hope you will learn more aobut what we the people are thinking and feeling and what we expect from our representatives.  Unfortunately, I (and I think many here) believe we have been let down in a very egregious way by our representatives over the last five years.  There is a lot of damage to be repaired but it can be repaired with time if you and the rest of the party want to get back to the business of representing us.

    Thank you for making these efforts.

    Julie Guzman
    Hillsboro, OR

  •  Well I like your comming back here... (0+ / 0-)

    ...after all the negative comments but I must say actions speak louder than words.

    The Republicans are already demonizing you so why not live up to it and be a demon for the working class.

    Don't be afraid of the republican noise machine it is the republicans who are more and more unpopular.  Help them off the cliff by differentiating yourself from them.  If you have to be less than congenial to do it then do it.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 07:27:31 PM PDT

    •  Did she? (1+ / 0-)
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      Come back here?  Has she ever been here?  I haven't seen any comments from her.  It's a cut and paste of a press release...with that personal comment about MyDD really showing how engaged she was by all of the "passion and insight from so many of you."  I think this diary is a joke, a waste of space and I can't believe it's on the rec list.  JMO.

      And I have to ask...what dose your screen name mean?

      Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

      by Barbara Morrill on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 08:29:36 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you Minority Leader Pelosi (1+ / 0-)
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    Thank you for your comments, but there are many of us who feel we are not living in a democracy anymore, our leaders are rubber stamping a dangerous man who shows just arrogance, ignorance to anyone who does not agree with him.  We are ever closer to a fascist corporate government, everything for corporations and pardon my words, screw the American People.  How bad does it have to get for our Representatives to have Mr. Bush held accountable for his criminal actions.

    Unitary executive powers, this is not America!  

  •  Censure Bush (0+ / 0-)

    Support Feingold's call to censure bush

  •  Not reading costs a lot of activist hours (0+ / 0-)

    Does anyone have any brilliant ideas on how we can avoid wasting so much time on misreadings?

    We all make mistakes, so I'm not meaning to blame anyone for not reading or for jumping to conclusions.

    But I wanted to get through the comments on this diary and simply couldn't because just skimming through the ones on Pelosi's alleged cut and paste, and the ones correcting people on this mistake, took too long.

    It's likely that thousands of valuable activist hours were wasted on those comments today. My God, we might as well go back to watching TV!

    I'm not talking about the value of blogging (or lack thereof)in general or anything profound. Just that time is votes and if you wanted to be a troll on this thread you couldn't do it better than by launching a misreading.

  •  wow (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm gonna refrain from any protraced statements re: Pelosi as I kinda ease my way back into the community, but man--just crazy to start coming back here after a few months and see the likes of Pelosi and Kerry and the diaries. Kos all grown up. Good stuff, IMHO, whatever the merits of the particular posts. I can def see the dumping ground argument, but easy enough to ingore if that's the case. I don't see it as any disrespect intended--lack of awareness about the extraordinary intelligence/involvement of members of this community, but not disrespect.

  •  NSA/Impeachment talking point tip... (0+ / 0-)

    When you and other Democrats get hit with the question "If the Democrats get a majority in Congress, is it true that they will impeach George W. Bush?"

    Here is the answer I want to hear from Democrats:

    "Well, the president broke numerous laws and is hurting America. The Republicans have refused to hold him accountable.  So if we get the chance, we pledge to do what’s best for America. Frankly, that may require impeaching this president. Not because we want to, but because it’s the right thing to do."

    This is what I would like to hear when Wolf Blitzer asks you that question. If you say this, I have a better case for convincing the many apathetic sometimes-voters I know that they should get out and vote for Dems this time. If I hear the same old hemming and hawwing, it makes it much harder for me to campaign for this party because I really can't defend an indecisive position like "I'm waiting for more information" when we already know full well that the President violated FISA and the 4th Amendment...not to mention the broad variety of other laws he's broken through other acts.

    Enough stalling for time. We know enough that bold assertions CAN be made. I want to see/hear you make them! Please LEAD us in a defense of the Constitution; don't cower behind split opinion polls, election strategy, and lame excuses.

    If you call for impeachment, the American people will back you up and history will judge you favorably. If you do not call for impeachment, the Republicans will continue breaking the law, and our nation will face a bleak future.

    Calling all students! Let's IMPEACH the mofo.

    by VoteHarder on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 08:10:10 PM PDT

  •  Thanks Nancy! (1+ / 0-)
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    Major Danby

    Responsiveness is key. Assigning a staffer is an honor and I thank you for it. Though I live in Lynn's neighborhood now, I grew up in The City and have voted for you and Lynn and of course Di and Barb, all of our lives, haha. Please don't underestimate the sophistacation of this community, we can be a potent force and are growing at an alarming rate as more and more Americans wake up and realize what The King is doing. Thanks and tonight (yes that was me) you  Do  get a pony!

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    You can't lick the system...but you can give it a damn good fondling!

    by buhdydharma on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 08:11:29 PM PDT

  •  Here's your argument for censure (0+ / 0-)

    Pretty evident to me as one guy that there was a law that said executive needed court approval for a wiretap.  All 'arguments' to the contrary sound utterly bogus to me.  Nobody has offered any reasonable explanation, so you draw the only conclusion you have the information to draw.  As more people sign on for censure, it puts the burden on the other side to prove the president did nothing wrong.  THEN MAYBE YOU GET YOUR INVESTIGATION.  Acting as though nothing happened makes it look as though nothing happened.  This is how they get away with everything.

  •  Thank you Ms. Pelosi (0+ / 0-)

    Your posting and comments are very welcome.  It is pure democracy and you have every right to be here as anyone else.  Keep it coming.  Thank you.

  •  Madame Congresswoman (0+ / 0-)

    It was gracious of you to return for repeat criticism.

    I suggest you watch Harry Taylor's video performance to get an idea of what Democratic party supporters appreciate.

    His honesty and his strength of conviction is what we want from you Democrats in Washington. Believe in your cause and believe in the cause being true.

    Without that, fancy slogans like "Gloves are off" just sound hollow.

  •  Dear Pelosi, (1+ / 0-)
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    You want me to change my registration to "independent", then keep it up.  You're doing a heckuva job.  

    Support Senator Feingold's move to censure the Chimp in Cheif, and you've got my full support.  Just go on TeeVee and tell the rubes why you believe Bush should be censured.

    You've got a safe seat.  Act like it.

    -7.4, -5.9 | "Ignorance and bigotry, like other insanities, are incapable of self-government." -Thomas Jefferson

    by Subterranean on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 08:33:17 PM PDT

  •  Dear Senator Pelosi (1+ / 0-)
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    Thank you for reaching out to the dkos community again. I don't feel a need to apologize for the community response to your post, but it can't have been pleasant to see the firestorm that erupted. So, again, thank you.

    I also wanted to mention that I had the opportunity to see you speak at a Take Back America conference several years ago. There are, I think, a couple of things important points for you to keep in mind:

    As Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake pointed out in a post today, we "netizens" have long memories. And we know how to google when some piece of information strikes a faint chord, or feels a bit off. What you say to this community here will always be compared to what you say to the nation at large and any disparity will be noticed, remembered, and count as a strike against you.

    Why do I say this? Because from what I remember of your speech at the Take Back America conference, you talked tough about the White  House to a group of 2000 partisan Democrats -- this was back in August 2003, but your rhetorick to the media didn't quite match up.

    You talk about "your priviliged resolution" and about fighting the culture of corruption when most of us here know of the House detente re: ethics charges.  Part of your job of "keeping the House Democrats in line" is making sure it's SAFE to file ethics charges against Republican politicians as corrupt as DeLay because you've done your job and held Democrats to the basic standard -- that of acting ethically and legally.

    And speaking of that priviliged resolution, I'd avoid that phrasing. It's been repeated once too often, in my (entirely subjective) opinion. It's starting to smack of hubris, or of a desperate attempt to prove that you are, in fact doing something.

    With regard to Feingold's move to censure the president, you said "“I have no idea why anybody would censure someone before they have an investigation.”

    What, precisely, needs to be investigated? How can you say that we need an investigation -- something that will drag on for months -- in light of what we know to be true of the intent of the separation of powers and the legal protection enshrined in the constitution and afforded to all of this nation's citizens? And how can you reconcile that statement with what you say now, that you are "deeply concerned by the President's justification for his domestic wire tapping program and the Administration's unwillingness to provide details of the program to members of the intelligence committee."

    Beyond Senator Feingold's resolution, what about the 30 Representatives led by John Conyers (and including my Representative, Major Owens), who want to go beyond censure and impeach the president? What do you have to say to them? And to us?

    You say that "we have had notable success on Social Security," whose successes are you talking about? Areyou you recognizing the sterling efforts of those in the blogosphere who pounded on the subject? Or are you tooting your own horn?

    And what successes on Medicare and tax cuts can you possibly be talking about? Medicare Part D is a debacle and a boondoggle.

    And what about what you haven't done?

    • 9/11 intelligence failures
    • Deliberately misleading the nation into war
    • No Child Left Behind
    • Body armor for the troops
    • Bankruptcy Bill
    • Katrina response

    The list goes on. It's long, and it's shameful.

    Finally, a word about your Kennedy quote: "Let us begin anew -- remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof."

    Are you talking about civility here, on dkos? Well, I'll take your point under advisement, and wait for the proof, not just of your sincerity but of your commitment to action.

    But if you're referring to the need for "civility" in the halls of Congress, I really think you need to examine the rhetorick that the Republicans have been using for the past decade or two. And then I thnk you need to look at the rhetorick many kossacks engaged in, and how it seems to have prompted a secondary, more conciliatory, message from you.

  •  thanks and we need you to lead now (2+ / 0-)
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    ZappoDave, oolon

    Representative Pelosi,

    Thank you for continuing to post and for having your staff monitor the comments.

    About Russ Feingold's Censure resolution you say

    This is a serious matter and all of the facts about the surveillance program must be fully investigated before we start talking about punitive action.

    and you are 100% wrong. There is no investigation needed: the facts are known.

    1. Bush admitted he broke the FISA law.
    1. FISA says the sole method for wiretapping Americans is through a FISA warrant.
    1. The Constitution's 4th Amendment says "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    This is a cut and dry question of law not fact. Further, Republicans will not permit investigations because who knows what other Bush crimes will wriggle out from under the rocks. Democrats must take what ever action they can to check the abuse of power and disregard for the rule of law by the Bush Administration. It's not about punishment. It's about saving the republic.

    I strongly suggest you go over to Glenn Greenwald's Unclaimed Territory and study some of his posts, like this one  Myth-making and excuse-making on the Feingold Resolution

    I strongly urge you to take immediate action to publicly support Senator Feingold and also Representative John Conyers who's doing what he can to hold the Bush administration to account. You may be the minority leader, but you're the leader. So lead.

  •  Title (3+ / 0-)
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    Subterranean, kfractal, oolon

    I have to admit, I cringed when I saw this diary title. I assumed the worst, and figued that "open ears" would be Beltway-speak for "pretending to have open ears."

    So I decided to do a quick little experiment. The Dems' refusal to file ethics complaints has to be one of the caucus' biggest failures. And it was duly noted in Rep. Pelosi's previous diary - over, and over, and over.

    My experiment was simple: If this new "open ears" diary even contained the phrase "ethics complaint," I'd consider Pelosi to have listened with open ears - even if it was, "Why we aren't going to/can't file ethics complaints."

    Sadly, my worst fears were confirmed. The new diary didn't even contain the word "ethics"!

    If Pelosi wants to come 'round here again and profess to be listening, then she simply must, must address the issue of ethics complaints. (Hint: "The ethics committee isn't functioning" is not a valid answer. We're only asking you to FILE the complaints.) This is the single most important caucus leadership issue we face right now.

  •  Specific Questions Regarding Wiretaps (1+ / 0-)
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    Why is there any iota of a scrap of an indication that a full and fair investigation will be done?  How long will it take?  Does Gonzales' testimony today regarding domestic wiretapping change her position?

    "We're all working for the Pharoah" - Richard Thompson

    by mayan on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 09:18:21 PM PDT

  •  Typical (0+ / 0-)

    You support Murtha but WTF happened to Feingold.  The silence on censure is deafening.  And my DD?  Go whore yourself elsewhere, Nancy. And fire the intern who forgot to change your cut and pasting to dKos, instead. Try getting the name of the forum first before you expect your boots to be licked.  Step down. You're unfit for leadership and your servile flattery here is unbecoming.  

    Pain is temporary and sorrow is fleeting, but hope, determination and courage in the face of adversity are forever.

    by Zen Warrior on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 09:21:28 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for reaching out! (0+ / 0-)

    Let's all aim high and work together!

  •  Impeachment starts in the House, doesn't it? (1+ / 0-)
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    Show some back bone (like Feingold).  

    With the outing of Valeria Plame we have another impeachable offense laid at Bush's feet.  

    How many more crimes does this guy have to commit before you actually start defending our way of life?

    And, start reading Lakoff on how to frame your message.  You don't come across well in the mainstream media like Feingold does.

    "In a system of immense power, small differences can translate into large outcomes." Chomsky

    by formernadervoter on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 09:40:18 PM PDT

  •  Wiretaps, censure, and special-counsel (1+ / 0-)
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    Ignacio Magaloni

    Dear Congresswoman Pelosi:

    Based on the insights and suggestions of many folks, here is a possible concrete course of action that members of congress could potentially undertake:

    A Comprehensive Plan
    for Holding the Administration Accountable

    1. Demand a special counsel investigation into warrantless wiretaps, with suitable clearances being granted for the investigation, and operating in the FISA court, if necessary
    2. Form a congressional panel to look into the classification requirements being claimed by the administration on wiretaps.
    3. Establish whistleblower protections.
    4. Demand telephone companies to cease and desist complicity with wiretaps and other forms of surveillance outside the purview of existing laws including FISA.
    5. Filibuster any bills that attempt to retroactively justify the circumvention of the law by the administration.
    6. Conduct congressional inquiries into the wiretaps (e.g. Sen. Byrd's S. 2362) as well as various other matters of administrative dysfunction (as in Rep. Conyers' HR 635). Sen. Schumer's S. 2468 is of interest as well.
    7. Dem leaders should make extensive media appearances informing the public about the excesses of the administrations and its attempts to sidestep the constitution, and soundly argue for taking appropriate actions to remedy the situation
    8. If the Whitehouse and the Rubberstamping GOP stonewall and shut out getting to the bottom of the NSA wiretaps, then censure Bush.
    9. Appoint a congressional panel to look into rescinding the 2001 AUMF which the administration has been employing as carte blanche for endless war and from which Bush is drawing his purported "authority as Commander in Chief in time of war" to run warrantless surveillance and claim other dictatorial powers. This panel would consider the question of Congress taking back its Constitutional war power.
    10. Optionally, Draft articles of impeachment on Bush's declared dictatorial intent, claims of "unitary executive" privileges, which are instantiated by the arrogation of power on warrantless wiretaps.

    Here are two important links:

    • Gore's speech: I am providing this link mainly for the reason that it contains important arguments which could be used as talking points, should the party decide to pursue some or all the steps suggested.
    • The wiki page on the subject, which is a useful read as well.

    I personally do not think that censure is the best approach. But, given the apparently far-reaching nature of the violations of the rule of law and abuses of power by this administration, and their explicitly stated intent (as for example in Mr. Bush's signing statement on the patriot act) to stretch the constitutional confines, censure does come across as the least one can do, in the absence of a concrete and thorough investigative course of action.

    Hoping for your consideration and perhaps a response in a future post.

    Thank you.

    •  Good list. With regard to media appearances, (1+ / 0-)
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      remember what happens to Democratic outreach during the morning and afternoon rush hours: while trapped in our traffic jams, we are hammered by the right-wing noise machine.

      Please organize our money base to support think tanks and media outreach in all fifty states. It is essential, and must be made a priority--or much of our message will continue to be lost.

      I acknowledge the great successes we have had as a DailyKos community in nudging the media toward truthful reporting.

      However, the Noise Machine will quickly adapt, so we must be proactive in trying to overcome rightist propaganda--and not just through imitation, for that would leave our nation without any kind of real deliberation.

      We need to put real dollars and find great minds to work on this communication problem.

  •  Thank you for your action on the budget (0+ / 0-)

    The Republicans consistently put out budgets that strike at the heart of America.  I know you are limited in what you can do as Minority Leader in the majoritarian House but you have done a great job putting them on record and often drawing the worst stings from their legislation.  You're doing a great job as Minority Leader and those of us who have to live in America appreciate what you're doing to make our lives better.

  •  I'm not even going to skim through 500+ comments. (1+ / 0-)
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    because all I can think after reading this post is "CLUNK," as in DOA.  

    Nancy's staffer, I want to like you in the same exact way I want to like every elected Democrat's staffer.  But the truth is that some of you are good at your jobs and some of you are not.  Just like with your bosses.

  •  Keep posting, Ms. Pelosi (0+ / 0-)

    We'll keep reading.
    Listening is a nice idea too.

    Who would have tought that watching "The Land Before Time (IX)- Journey to Big Water" would become a subversive act?

    by mungley on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 10:12:42 PM PDT

  •  Listening to us (0+ / 0-)

    I have a suggestion. A couple weeks ago, I tried to leave a message at your web site, but couldn't because I'm not a CA resident.   That seems wrong for a national leader.

    The other suggestion I'd like to make is that you get behind Russ Feingold's censure motion, support for gay marriage, and so many other areas where he often stands alone.  When someone stands up for us, we're ready to stand up for them.

  •  Feingold and Conyers (1+ / 0-)
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    Senator Feingold and Representative Conyers have certain lessons for you to learn, Ms. Pelosi. All else is election year yammering, on your part.  

    Our democracy is at stake. I happen to think that's even more important than the 2006 elections.

  •  Ok then, if your listening.... (2+ / 0-)
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    jotter, vcmvo2
    Here is something Markos said tonight on the Colbert Report (no need for mojo folks this is just a repeat to see if the good Congresswoman is listening)

    The Repuplicans are:
    Good at telling you when you are born;
    or when you are going to die;
    but not so good with dealing with the stuff in between!

    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." Seneca

    by Ralfast on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 11:06:40 PM PDT

  •  To anyone who makes it all the way down here (1+ / 0-)
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    I hope that when our elected officials post here in the future that we can spend more time discussing politics and less time criticizing the diarist for thier post. I spent 30 minutes reading about half of the comments without ever getting to anything worthy of that time for me or you.

    Democrats -- Progress for the Working Class

    by rogun on Thu Apr 06, 2006 at 11:53:00 PM PDT

    •  Your comment is on the spot. (1+ / 0-)
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      That's why I've trollrated comments that I think intentionally or negligently tries to substitute noise for a substantive discussion.

      I think those who can should do the same.

      Restore Democracy! Denounce the GOP (Georgie's Orwellian Party)!

      by high5 on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 03:00:45 AM PDT

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    •  fact of the matter is, (0+ / 0-)

      we're still the proles. it's not how we think, but what we think that counts. thumbs up or thumbs down? that's all any elected official cares to hear from the voting public.

  •  Sincere thanks (0+ / 0-)
    for listening and responding, Congresswoman!

    I imagine it's harder to carry the burdens of office and a leadership position than to comment in blogs, so I'll try real hard to listen to what you have to say.

    ps - I've long thought there are a lot of us out here who need more insight into how an office such as yours works, and the various duties it handles and how so. Maybe you or a staff member could throw in some nuggets from time to time. "True stories" offering a personal perspective seem to be valued and well responded to here.

  •  Why Dems are traitors and kiss my behind. (0+ / 0-)

    As the Financial Times reports, Citigroup Chairman Bob Rubin held a press conference at the Brookings Institution to announce the formation of the so-called "Hamilton Project."  

    At a time when Democrats have become more aggressive in voicing concerns about the foreign ownership of US assets, Roger Altman, former deputy Treasury secretary under Mr Clinton, added that more inclusive economic growth could also 'blunt the political demands for protectionism'...The group said it was willing to take on entrenched Democratic interests, such as teaching unions. Policy papers unveiled on Wednesday proposed vouchers for summer schools..."

    I intend to do a diary on this and let everyone know how the Democratic Party is trying to screw the people over.  

    Don't think - just vote!

    by dkmich on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 02:00:58 AM PDT

  •  You don't need more facts about the NSA spying (1+ / 0-)
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    The NSA spying is illegal.  Bush has already admitted the fact.  You don't need more facts that to know that the PRESIDENT HAS ACKNOLWEDGED HE BROKE A FEDERAL LAW WITH CRIMINAL PENALTIES, and HE IS CONTINUING TO DO SO.

  •  House Leader Pelosi, (1+ / 0-)
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    I may be alone here, but I do appreciate your efforts to come back here, after yesterday's post, with efforts to try to reconnect with the base.  I must say that I am thrilled that you at least took the time to read Georgia10's diary about what true action would look like.  These are desperate times, and they call for desperate measures.  In the past five years we have lived the worst of Twentieth Century American history, almost like a highlight reel that just keeps playing over and over.  We have Pearl Harbor (9-11), The Depression (The Jobs Lost), Vietnam (Iraq), Watergate (Nearly Everything The Bush Administration Touches), along with The Rise Of McCarthyism (Well, "you must be with the terrorists" as explified by the Patriot Act & NSA program).  For many of us, we are not sure that the Democrats in Congress are connecting the dots in that fashion, in perhaps a "bad history" fatigue, rather what we see is an occassional effort to get half-heartedly behind one issue, and more or less play dead on most of the others.  If you're behind Feingold, Conyers, & Murtha, how have we, the American Democratic Voters, been left with the impression that it seems no one else has their back?  Every time one of these people comes forward with a bold statement, it seems the automatic distancing and triangulation of the other Democratic members of Congress begins.  When does our unified front assemble?  What's taken so long?  What bold action are you going to take that is clear enough not to get spun by the media as "partisan", but "patriotic duty"?  (no need to answer, just food for thought).  After all this Adminstration and their in the pocket Congress has done, shouldn't permanent outrage be the modus operandi?
    •  tkmattson you nailed it in very few words (0+ / 0-)

      I know nothing about the ratings system here I rarely reply and have no "rating" myself.
      I would like to give you a "four sir/madam"

      "a smart man knows what he doesn't know" Sister Mary Loraine Hialeah 1951

      by flafran on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:34:28 AM PDT

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  •  Representative Pelosi - (1+ / 0-)
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    I want to thank you for your quick response to the fracas here over your previous diary.  It renewed my faith a bit to know that you read the, um, feedback left there.  While I did not comment in or recommend that diary, I do agree with the substance (if not the tone) of many of the comments left there.  I think it is clear many of us are EXTREMEMLY frustrated by what appears to be the lack of unity in opposing the daily attacks on our Constitutional and basic human rights by our own government.

    So thank you for acknowledging the feedback.  I think many of us feel that the NSA is the only part of the government actually listening to us right now. I know that each and every time I call or write my own reps, I'm probably getting more attention from the Intelligence Agencies than I am from those reps.

    And speaking of fracas, KUDOS and THANK YOU on the budget fracas yesterday!!  Immoral indeed.  Is there any way to address the equally immoral and now also illegal 2006 budget?

  •  i'll believe you when you start fighting (0+ / 0-)

    tooth and nail

  •  W A R (0+ / 0-)

    The war PERIOD
    I dont have to state point for point what is wrong with the War or how America was USED by this Administration.
    All I am asking no begging elected reps to do for me is stop this horror show and bring this disgusting War President out in the sunshine so we can learn how to never ever let another conspiracy like this happen again.
    The War

  •  follow Harry Taylor's lead (0+ / 0-)

    if you can't give me sincerity, it's time to get out of the business, ma'am.

  •  Just Do Your Job (0+ / 0-)

    It isn't hard.

    -6.63, -3.59 If we shall fail to defend the Constitution, I shall fail in the attempt.

    by spoon or no spoon on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:25:57 AM PDT

  •  The Difference (0+ / 0-)

    The difference between you and I, Representative, is that you're afraid of pissing people off. I'm not. Civility isn't a sign of weakness. It's a sign that you don't seem to get the gravity of the decisions you're making.

    Oh yeah, and SUPPORT FEINGOLD!

    People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people

    by The Icelander on Fri Apr 07, 2006 at 05:42:06 AM PDT

  •  suggestions from outside (0+ / 0-)

    Nancy, if there is anything that we canadians and other 'furriners' are frustrated and dismayed about, beyond the criminality of your current administration, it is the wimpishness and incompetence of your so-called opposition. Yes, that means you democrats!

    If any politician, appoitee or functionary of any party, particularly those of the governing one, were to lie and mislead so outrageously and blatantly (with global, devastating consequences no less), they would be skewered by the opposition. How hard would it be to hold a press conference or two and take these clowns to task in plain, unabiguous language? Why does Harry Reid appologize everytime the republicans complain about his statements? Why are you so mealy-mouthed and cowardly? Why do you continue to play nice when it is blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain that the republicants don't and never intend to?

    Does karl rove have pictures of the lot of you in compromising positions or something? Is it because you all subscribe to the same agendas anyway, and are just providing cover for them?

    Honestly, grow a backbone, take off your tutus, and start calling these people on their BS. Lord knows you have plenty of material to work with - this adminstration has done far more than nixon ever did, and yet you can't articulate a few sentences to that effect.

    The fact is that your democracy and your stature in the world is seriously ill. One can blame the criminals only so much - at some point, it becomes your fault because you're not doing your damn jobs standing up to them.

    -- A disgusted Canadian

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